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That a decent portion of them don't actually mean it, but that what they're really saying is they prefer their women low maintenance and likely not extremely feminine aesthetically.
I couldn't care less seeing as I don't date men, am married, and wear makeup the opposite of how the men who say it but don't mean it like (I prefer bold styles, only wear it when going out, and don't attempt to cover blemishes, thanks college feminist discussions)
The last three times I wore makeup were the last three weddings I’ve been in (including my own).
I’m conventionally attractive, possibly an egg, and incredibly uncomfortable with being considered attractive by anyone other than my husband, so I dress like a mailman and engage in zero grooming other than hygiene (washing, brushing, deodorant). I have a mild unibrow, which is very effective at discouraging people from commenting on my appearance.
When they comment more generally about makeup vs no makeup, I tend to take it neutrally. If I think they’re being shitty/sexist, I’ll tell them that I prefer my men with just tasteful accents. Then, if they respond angrily, I’ll tell them that they should learn to embrace their natural beauty and there are plenty of demos online if they want to learn.
More than likely the person has no idea when someone is and is not wearing makeup this is on top of it not being their business.
After rolling my eyes, my immediate thought is that a) I don't care I wear it for me and b) usually it's that men prefer a no make up look, which requires make up to perfect
I don't think much of it unless it's an unsolicited opinion.
Some guys do it to signal they're not down with unfair beauty standards for women. Misguided, but their heart's in the right place.
Otherwise it's not much different from how I always say "I like a man in sweatervest."
I laugh and say you think we're getting dressed up to impress you??? GTFO because we sure as shit aren't.
Also when men say "no makeup" they are usually looking at a woman with a fuck ton of makeup on, they're just too dumb to see it. Which makes their lizard brains think "nude makeup" is zero makeup and the rest of us just choose to NOT look like that.
JFC...
I assume it means “heavy makeup” and they don’t actually mean no makeup lol
I also find they don’t know heck about how much effort a lady puts into grooming/haircare/skincare/etc. just to look presentable! Guys always wonder what we’re doing in the bathroom lol. No I’m not just fuckin around in there lol there’s always something, like flossing, trimming my nails, tweezing, checking for blackheads, moisturizing, cleaning my makeup pads/brushes, etc. etc.
Or just pooping in the bathroom, and enjoying the lack of sensory input.
Regarding makeup, imho:
"No makeup" - none at all. Slay!
"Natural" or "French/European" style - just cover pimples, moisturises, mild blush, maybe use lipstick. In places where makeup is used a lot, many guys mistak this for the "no makeup" (it's not). Slay too!
"Heavy" - covering even freckles, fake eyebrows/artificial looking lines, exaggerated pregnancy glow, the "Kim Kardashian" style. Personally, I don't like the look - it's so fake. Good makeup is when you can't note that makeup is used.
"Drag" - basically heavy but with colours and extra lines. This is more of an art form than heavy, and I can't imagine how much time this takes. To those that do, slay.
I usually think that they prefer the "no makeup" look or prefer women that spend more time grooming themselves. Hello, skincare and eyebrow shaping!
If the man was asked directly, sure I don't really mind their preference.
It usually isn't prompted, though. It's usually brought up after they see someone with a lot of makeup on. Those guys are just assholes. Same lines of "I hate it when women dye their hair blue" or "I hate it when women wear..." or "I hate it when women do [something harmless]"
I am usually barefaced, but I love wearing makeup sometimes. The natural look is nice, but I also love sparkles and color! It is fun.
A man is free to prefer no makeup. He doesn't have to wear any if he doesn't want to.
This is a brilliant comment! You make a great point about how it's unsolicited comments from assholes. I've heard that loads, but i don't think I've ever heard a woman comment on a random man's appearance and say "i hate it when men wear/style XXX way". Men that say it are often objectifying the women round them and expecting her to meet THEIR needs not her own!
I prefer women with makeup that doesn't draw attention to itself. Makeup with strong colors and unnatural shades isn't my preference. Now that I've transitioned and wear makeup myself I wear the minimum needed to cover the remaining beard shadow. I am consistant if nothing else.
Before I transitioned the topic of makeup came up in conversation. I mentioned my preference. One of the women in the conversation normally wore naturalistic makeup, but the next day had incredibly sparkley and colorful eye shadow. Clear statement, and probably the best possible response.
naw sis i put up 5 kg of makeup & whoever i make cringe lets their life be influenced by a slur like me
jokes aside, i just wash my face with water, moisturise, and use lipstick, and that's basically it. routine takes 2 minutes and i look 50% more yass!. for additionals, one could use sunscreen.
anyone have tips for skincare, esp. diet-wise? eg replacing cushion covers every now and then (I feel it helps with reducing pimples), eating less and fewer fatty processed foods...
I think "who the hell asked for your opinion?" as I roll my eyes and apply more sparkly purple lipstick.
This is the way
It depends on the context for me. If it's in a conversation about grooming preferences already? Then it's a valid perspective I think, and makes me wonder whether they're able to actually tell or if they're being fooled by "natural" makeup looks.
If it's from them barging into a conversation between me and other ladies (which literally happened at a party this weekend) where we're discussing brands and tools and tricks? I think "The audacity to find yourself relevant to this conversation is truly impressive levels of self absorption"
I think "why are you telling me this, I didn't ask for your opinion".
I am only one data point but I am a man and I much prefer no makeup.
Not a "natural look," it's not a skill issue for women applying their makeup as much as I see that explanation offered.
I prefer no makeup.
You can wear makeup, that's fine (and my wife does, for her) but I am allowed to prefer her with no make-up.
What is truly disappointing for me is how I don't think she believes me even to this day.
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Life is weird.
Hey Andy thanks for stopping by! Your comments about your wife are really sweet. We're a trans inclusive women only community so please don't comment again thanks for understanding 🥰
Understood, and forgive the follow-on, it will be my last here. I landed in this thread from /all. I am not sure if there is some way to exclude your own community from the feed, but maybe that would be worth discussing with the devs to avoid this kind of situation. Having given the feedback I wanted, hope y'all have fun!
Edit for just another couple technical suggestions in the hopes they're at all helpful to align everyone's interests: members-only commenting, or a way to show a specific warning before posting/commenting/participating in a community if the community configures it.
Thanks Andy, don't worry we looked into all that and it's's not doable. We've also found if we put warnings in the title we get attacked by incels. Fortunately the majority of men that pop by are nice respectful men like you and we appreciate you 😊
"It's okay sweetie. Before I transitioned, I also lacked the knowledge and vocabulary to correctly describe what kind of makeup look attracted me."
It is just saying some humans prefer a more natural look. It's not about make up. Or men.
This would be the same as females saying women prefer a guy with /without a beard. It's preference and a silly generalization.
I feel like it's a saying said in high-school to discourage high school girls from using make up.
"Females and guys" 🙄
I don't care, but personally I don't like or wear makeup und neither does my partner.
"I don't care about your taste in women I don't care about your taste in women I don't care about your taste in women I–"
That the dude is rolling right down the alt-right pipeline.
Next stop "females should be subservient to alpha males".
Oh my, don't remind me. The usage of "female" as nouns everywhere bothers me to no end, especially when they in another line will say "men". It's belittling, not even grammatically correct, and unnecessarily gendered.
It's like saying "The chanting hops and jumps boobily, tittily she jumped like a little girl" when you could just as well say "The nightingale hops and jumps around in joy".
I love the way my wife looks either way, but she’s told me the main reason she feels she has to wear makeup is because growing up her mom would make snide remarks to her if she didn’t have makeup on or only had a little.
This comment made me smile! Im really glad your wife has such a supportive spouse. Welcome to WomensStuff we're a trans inclusive women only community ❤️
Usually a big red flag, there is definitely some men who are genuine but so many just mean that they want a woman who uses a lot of make up 25/7. There’s probably only two men who I would genuinely believe if they said that and those are my biological father, because he was a very sweet and honest man, and my friend Atticus, because he is very honest and straightforward since he is quite autistic.
I really don’t care what men, or anyone for that matter, thinks about how I choose to style myself. I already get dirty looks from people for using my cane and braces so might as well do whatever I want. I’ve been wearing my cat ears out in public because I want to wear them.