To be fair, they presumably had an office before Zoom existed in a usable state.
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Lmao do they actually occupy a huge building like this
They could occupy only a portion but pay to have their name on top.
They recently made everyone return to office so probably.
Back when Zoom recalled all their employees to the office a couple years ago, that should have been the end for them.
Their product is designed to facilitate remote work and communication and they basically advertised to the entire world that, in their minds, it's ineffective. That was a blunder of epic proportions.
Those are stealth layoffs. Short sighted, but it doesn't spook investors.
It wasn't a blunder if it didn't negatively impact the company.
Fair point.
Most of the people I work aren't even in the same timezone as me. Even when in the office, we use Teams for meetings for recording and note keeping.
I don't know if they advertise that with zoom going to the office isn't needed, but even going to the office something like this is useful.
And any alternative to fucking teams is good by me
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Facts don't matter. Emotions do. Many decision makers feel that in-person is better, and that's the end of the discussion.
I don't see it that way. To me it seems like existing managers do not know how to manage remote teams, and you can't tell them "you should fire all the managers and hire new ones that do" because they will never fire themselves.
That's what they said - managers feel like remote teams are harder to manage. Doesn't matter if that's actually true.
No. They don't feel that. They KNOW that THEY can't manage them. Just like if the manager does not speak German they wouldn't hire someone that only speaks that language
That implies they are aware that remote teams can be managed more efficiently, but that they lack the ability. I don't think that's true, most managers don't seem to have that self-awareness.
Punch them every time you see them in person so they feel pain.
Why are there pens in the hammer factory? Just because you build a tool does not mean you should use it for everything.
Note: I'm not saying you should use Zoom for anything.
Pens weren't supposed to replace hammers.
It's a reference to the phrase "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
I am full time on site and 90% of our meetings are still virtual. Zoom isn't just for remote work.
Maybe they got swords and hammers confused.
Penis Mightier.
Because the conservatives who populate the C-suite just about everywhere in the world have decided that control is more important than worker satisfaction or productivity.
Remote work is only for the owner class, not for the plebs
Nah, it's that they signed multi-year leases and have to justify spending the money.
More like their friends own the building and they own their friends' buildings and they're all doing each other a favor to keep commercial real estate from declining.
I know that's probably the right answer. But it's also... something-something... optics and feels, or something else in the headspace of those in charge?
Why? As tenants they're still paying for electricity, A/C, heat, insurance, security, and office staff. And all that gets replaced with a beefier VPN and Zoom/Teams/Slack subscription, which a lot of businesses already had back in 2019. So, paying the remainder of the lease and having everyone work from home would still save money. Plus, I bet it would be possible to pay a reduced amount up-front in order to break the lease (say 75% of the remaining months), just so the building owner could (potentially) rent the space to someone else and double-dip. The fact that this isn't the math everyone is doing, just plain stinks.
You're not thinking 1 quarter at a time.
Surely it must be one or the other.
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Never get high on your own supply
Servers? IT? Maintenance? If only there was a place this could be centralized for efficiency….
It is funny to imagine every employee having a server rack and cooling system to add enough capacity though.
Renting a colo is cheaper.
Servers? IT? Maintenance? If only there was a place this could be centralized for efficiency….
It's in the C L O U D Michael.
Getting mad at Zoom staff for having an office feels like getting mad at Ford staff for owning a bike.
Do you mean Ford employees can't afford car ? Damn.
:-/
Setting aside the Blood and Soil nationalism of the authorship (gotta read this thing while listening to Tomorrow Belongs to Me to do it justice), we're absolutely in a race to the bottom with industry wages.
Hey man it was my turn with the bike today!
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https://abcnews.go.com/Business/zoom-brought-workers-back-office-means/story?id=102173259
They did not give an explanation that has any specific meaning, so here we go:
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Can't let the commercial real estate market crash, therefore, unnecessary commutes are mandatory to keep Zoom's own loan on its office in good shape.
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Muddle Managers and C Suite people need to be able to harass and lord over people in person, or they begin to feel unfulfilled and insecure. Your suffering is their joy. They need to be able to interrupt you and waste your time with unannounced in person distractions, and when this is intermediated by physical distance and you being able to not take an unschedule video call, they can feel their ability to terrorize and neg you at any moment slipping away.
Sure, what Zoom is doing with VC platform could radically alter all of society.
We could largely cut down on traffic, commutes, rework vacant office building, or large portions of them, into basically pseudo-arcologies with chunks of residential, cafeteria / storefront, and office levels.
But, they're a B2B focused company, so that's the literal opposite of what they want, what they want is the status quo, but with themselves as another subscription that other businesses have to pay for.
Rent seeking, as usual.
Same reason 7-11 stores have locks on the doors
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