A flawed hypothesis. LOGO and Hypercard > Lotus notes.
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"Discluded"?
What if you were started on an Apple computer before Macs existed?
Get out.
I installed Linux for the first time at 14.
13/14 for me. Thinkpad 600 😎
Good grief! The word is excluded. Holy shit.
probably a Windows user
Shit was making my eye twitch.
Linux didn't exist when I was 12. 😑
Same. Didn't show up until 3 years later.
I was around 13 for my first Linux install. Good times. Think pad 600, what a classic.
If I could have that exact same machine, with modern specs, I'd be hard pressed to use anything else. The nostalgia alone... So good.
Ibm had fallen off a cliff. I remember having one that had a dock for it's cd reader and such. Things was God damned bullet proof! I got an IdeaPad recently and aside from the metal shell, it's pretty much garbage. Like I don't really know what they're doing with their bios, but I just installed an m.2 drive with a Linux install and it takes almost the exact same time to boot as it did from the fucking platter hdd!
I was 8 when Linus posted on that Minix Usenet group about his hobby that won't be big at all.
I think that being forced to learn about WINE at a young age may have been beneficial actually (if extremely unpleasant)
*Reads comments in thread*
I started with a pair of matchsticks and a trenchcoat that I got at Galipoli in WW1, using the Phosphorus I found in the Bosphorus to craft makeshift TI calculator based on specs I got via Fax from a Samurai. I ran slackware on my slacks until we defeated the Ottomans, but they unleashed their puppy linuxes on us, and we stood no chance.
Meanwhile...
At the Hall of Justice, we join our heroes enjoying a celebratory game of Tuxkart on their PopOS devices after their latest defeat of Lex Luthor's DOS army.
"That was a great buffer underflow, Batman" said Superman, piping his Krypto into a GPG wallet.
"Thank you, Superman. Evil shall think twice before compiling on a non GCC system without warnings enabled!"
It's all that musl he has.
Das wirft natürlich eine sehr interessante wissenschaftliche Forschungsfrage auf, die ich mir erlaubt habe, in der wissenschaftlichen Literatur zu recherchieren:
"Does early exposure to different operating systems (macOS vs. Windows) correlate with differences in technological literacy and general problem-solving abilities among children and adolescents?"
The available research does not provide conclusive evidence that early exposure to different operating systems directly correlates with differences in technological literacy or problem-solving abilities among children and adolescents.
While studies reveal some interesting distinctions, the evidence is limited. Ronaldo Muyu et al., 2022 found Windows is more popular among university students (84.61% vs. 11.38% for macOS), suggesting potential usage differences. Shahid I. Ali et al., 2019 found no significant competency differences between Mac and Windows users in Excel skills. Cem Topcuoglu et al., 2024 noted that users’ perceptions of operating systems are often based on reputation rather than technical understanding.
Interestingly, Bijou Yang et al., 2003 found Mac users had significantly greater computer anxiety, which might indirectly impact technological literacy.
More targeted research is needed to definitively answer this question, particularly studies focusing on children and adolescents.
I did once have a Mac user describe the Bash terminal as "it looks like breaking things."
Had to ssh into an orange pi I set up with emulation station to transfer some roms. Dude who I thought was tech literate was in awe and even described it as "hacking" a few days later recounting it with another friend.
Also was the hbic at a Dave and Buster's, had to update the six person halo game, which runs on Linux, people started gathering around with their oooo's and awe's, with one kid saying it was like the movies. People by and large are pretty fucking stupid.
I mean idk. I know it's simple once you know but not something I would expect the average person to be familiar with. To be fair if you're hacking you're probably are using ssh at some point. But also I wonder if some have a hard time accepting their own accomplishments. If we never allow ourselves to see our own advancement then we just see others who have not achieved as less. Give yourself some credit bro and by extension give these onlookers a break. What you're doing is kinda cool. Is that not what draws you to these types of activities in the first place?
That's a very solid outlook. Thanks for the perspective.
I think early exposure to several different OS's means you're at least not too poor, and lack of money does correlate a lot with illiteracy of all sorts.
I think you misunderstand: the question is not about exposure to different OSes, but about the correlation/causation of a given OS to later cognitive (and other) abilities. Please do apply adequate scientific rigor here!
The point I'm making is that I believe that people who have mac skills will need to also learn Windows skills just because it's so much more commonplace.
Just like lefties can be more empathetic on scale, because they have to face the disappointment of things not being designed for them (us, but I'm more mixed-handed than pure lefty).
It's not about the orientation of the hand, but the phenomena surrounding having to orient your hand / use a certain hand in a certain way.
Just like I don't believe that Mac as an OS is inherently changing the kids significantly.
Please do apply adequate scientific rigor here!
And to be fair, I don't really know anyone who's only ever used a mac for those exact reasons. We had a few kids in graphic design school be like "well I mostly use Mac as my personal computer is a mac", so they weren't as used to using Windows, since they hadn't done it since school.
Like if you compared the linguistic capacity of people in the US, I'm pretty sure that no matter what you choose as the primary language, those kids will still know English (as we're talking about USA here), and if they know English, then they're at least bilingual, which has a lot of cognitive benefits. But you wouldn't be saying that specifically speaking some specific other language makes the kids smarter.
Some languages might give certain advantages, like say some aboriginal language which doesn't have left/right but always uses cardinal directions. Due to them doing that it's insanely hard to confuse their inner sense of direction, even if you chuck them if a van and drive them around blindfolded.
So I'm not saying using Macs can't have some such small specific advantage, but I doubt it, and think it's just general adaptation skills, which do correlate with positive cognitive development.
So I started with a DOS machine that my dad had at work, then my school got a few Apple Macs in the library so I played Oregon Trail on the green screen, them the first computer we had at home that I was able to spend hours on was windows 3.1.
'98 myself. But I got a vivid memory of being at my aunt's when her computer guy was there and he hated windows describing it as for the lazy. I was really young att but remember playing some kinda dig dug type game that had cartoonish CPUs as the collection goal. I also remember figuring out how to launch it on a dos system.
The majority of people I know who have major computer problems solve them by buying another computer
I'm not even that tech illiterate, but I almost did that... My laptop was being slow, and I still had like 4k€ in overtime hours that I could buy Hardware from at work (it's a great deal because I neither have to pay VAT on the hardware nor income taxes on the money from the overtime), so I was like, eh, might as well get a new laptop.
So then I read up on what laptop brands are out there, found out about Framework, and when I excitedly told my electrical engineer husband about it he was like "You knooow that you can easily replace parts in any laptop, right?"
Well, I didn't know that (just kinda assumed laptops were more like phones than they are like desktop PCs), so I ended up just ordering a new SSD and new RAM for my laptop. It's back to being butter smooth, but I have a hunch that cleaning the dust from the fans while I was in there was a very large factor in that haha
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Ummm how do kids turn out if you install Linux Mint on a cheap laptop and give it to them to screw around with? Asking for a friend.
It leads the kid to Arch. I hope you prepared to always hear "I use Arch, btw."
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I think the issue is not having a desktop-type computer at all and having a tablet/phone that’s so locked down the kid isn’t given the opportunity to explore or troubleshoot.
Tinkering is how you learn to solve problems, which requires having something tinker-able without having to go down a hacky rabbithole.
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I started on a commodore 64, you kids that started on a machine with a gui were coddled.
I know you’re joking but this is how a lot replies here feel. Kids don’t even know how to program using punch cards anymore smh.
40 years from now the newest generation will be saying “Grandpa doesn’t even know know what a Cyber Tibulator Strip is let alone how to use it. If you need him he’s out back yelling at clouds.”
Don’t get me wrong here, tech literacy is low but when has it not been?
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First computer I used was DOS.
Also DOS. Now I'm a digital plumber, keeping the pipes and tubes of the Internet from getting backed up with all the things happening commercially.
Remember, the Internet is not something you can just dump something on, it's not a big truck.
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