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Because he's ever so pretty?
I've got a former military buddy who is all about Pete because "he's not gonna let the fatties and the faggots fuck up our military anymore."
Nevermind that the navy has been called gay since their inception, or that muhreens have zero self discipline outside of a military situation, or that the air force has run more drug than most cartels, it's the "fatties and faggots" that are the problem.
I always knew my buddy was dumb, but it took that conversation for me to figure out that it went all the way down to the core of who he was as a person.
Yeah, lot of bigots are self aware enough to try to hide their hatred and point to other things when it comes to making what they support more palatable to those who might not be. They aren't complete idiots like some immediately assume which is why they have been underestimated by the opposite side and gained such huge traction and seen increasing success.
Even the dumb ones don't try to show the full extent of the bigotry, since they know there are still some in society who resist such ideologies despite growing embracement of it.
Situational sexuality has assured that every navy has been pretty gay (that is, sexually adaptable) since the inception of maritime travel.
I've got a couple dumb friends/colleagues too but just change the subject when they mention politics
They watched him on FOXnews, thought he was "cute", about like a Sajak or a Kardashian. So why not put him in charge of the world's most lethal military?
easy. he’s a white republican man.
I mean how does theoreticallyconservative small government folk support a real estate trust fund baby who openly take bribes, is building himself a castle, and floods the streets with masked, unmarked, paramilitary. Oh and constantly breaks the laws of the land put out by the forefathers along with a whole ton of other laws?
Rapes little girls too.
I mean they can choose to not believe that but trump has them make viral videos of his goon squad. Sure its edited to make them look tough I guess but its hard to disbelieve they are there and maybe just maybe look at the first person cell phone videos that are all around showing how aweful they are.
Your parents are bad people
Well, bad the way Edmund Povensie was bad while under the guile of the White Witch, or the way the Little Mermaid was bad (i.e. poor ) at seeing through the sea hag's hard sell.
It's possible.
I'm more likely to say anyone who writes others off as bad people from a 1 dimensional, 3rd party anecdote is not an exemplar of "good people". But that's just me.
Not bad per se, more very misinformed and very influenced dare I say manipulated, just sad yeah
I feel ya with this, but to paint this as black and white is to miss important nuance.
They're deluded. As such, it's an error to see them as evil in the same way that it is to see a person that's high on meth and dangerous or schizophrenic and hostile as being evil.
They're no less dangerous, don't get me wrong, but to see them as bad is, I think, a critical misunderstanding of what's going on here that leads people to think like this.
I didn't say evil, I said bad people.
If propaganda can convince you to hate people just because of where they're from, you're not a good person.
Now, if you realize you were a bad person and work on being a good person, you can become one. If you know what you're doing is bad and have no desire to change, then you're evil.
And none of those are immutable qualities.
30 years in the military and a shitty person? Man that is so weird, how could it be?
Sorry to tell you this but the racism really resonated with them.
Honest answer, as someone in the military:
A LOT of military people lament how "soft" the military has become, and someone coming down on beards, fat, etc, as well as being up front with what the military is for (e.g. Department of War), scratches a whiny itch they've always had. Because every old salty sailor and sandy equivalent feels like they came from the Old Guard.
I came from the Old Guard that my peers are nostalgic about. It was terrible and unnecessarily cruel. It was inefficient and left new people floundering instead of supported. The whole thing feels like a cycle of abuse.
But back to the point, they don't care if he's underqualified, makes bad and inexperienced military decisions, or has a host of DUIs ("who doesn't?"). They only care that he's calling generals fat to their faces and getting rid of beard ememptions.
What's funny is that nobody alive today was alive and in the military for any major conflict that we were actually victorious in, so what "good old days" are these geezers even pining for? The days where we lost a bunch of soldiers in Vietnam and the ones who survived came back with PTSD and drug addictions?
The good old days where the people in charge could get away with anything, that's what it comes down to.
nobody alive today was alive and in the military for any major conflict that we were actually victorious in
There are still a handful of WWII vets kicking around
Also depending on how you want to define "major" and "victorious" you could maybe make an argument for Dessert Storm, and possibly the 2003-2011 Iraq War. (Whether we should have been involved in those wars in the first place, and how those wars were fought are separate issues, and I certainly wouldn't call them "unqualified" victories, but I do think there are absolutely certain angles you could look at them from and make the argument that the US was the victor in those conflicts)
The wars in the Middle East are tricky, though, because to have a "victory" you would need a clear metric for it, a clear goal. It's not like the US was looking to conquer and annex those countries
If the goal was to completely fuck up a country with little to no (physical, not financial) damage to our home country, mission accomplished, one helluva victory.
If the goal was to stop Terrorism... that's like the War on Drugs, there's no winning that.
If the goal was merely to occupy them in order to (temporarily) prevent them from being a staging ground and financial support for Terrorism... I guess that worked? For awhile?
Vietnam and Korea were about stopping Communists from taking over the country. Huge failure on Vietnam, and apparently a draw in Korea (considering the North/South divide). But it was a clear enough goal. The Middle East? Who knows what the specific goal was (other than trillions of dollars to the Military Industrial Complex).
Are they white? Do they have an aversion to non-white people? Do they make enough money to materially benefit from the Trump era tax policies? Yes to any 2 and you’ve got an answer, no to all 3 and I’m as stumped as you are.
The comments here are wild. So much judgement about people we literally know one single thing about.
There should really only be one answer to this question: "I dunno. Why don't you ask them?"
Just because your parents like some guy that they've never met doesnt mean they are evil, sociopathic, racist monsters. The most likely explaination is that they got walked down the right wing media rabbithole by some network of acquaintences, and now they are trapped in a fairy tale depiction of the world designed to appeal to their baser emotions.
People believe in bigfoot and the flat earth. Why? Mostly because they feel lonely and powerless, and want to feel like they are part of a group that is united in their knowledge of The Truth.
Most reasonable answer. Propaganda is insidious. It is subtle, it can latch onto anything. It could be racism, that's one thing sure. It could be that they wanted lower taxes and over time it slowly convinced them it was all of the others. It could be anything. To assume like this, well, it's exactly why the right has so much just reasoning when saying we're quick to throw the racism card. Because, well just look at this thread.
Right, and those who supported Hitler were just poor misinformed good people.
I think it depends on what you mean by "supported". But during the Nazi regime, the vast majority of Germans were, in some way or another, working to support the Nazis. But after the Nazis were defeated, the Germans became one of the most progressive people in the world. And these were the same people.
Yours is the best answer but my kneejerk gut feeling is:
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Edit: The 'you' in this image refers to OP's parents.
I think their just trapped in a bubble of bad info and are influenced by racism subconsciously. I KNOW my parents aren't bad people, but they sure as hell arent talking like good people or even well thought-out people.
I guess I just thought my parents were smarter, that they could see through this admins BS. They seriously claim that Trump is doing much better than Biden, but I talk to everyone I know, and they are all having money problems, food insecurity and housing problems, all being made worse under Trump.
I think my parents are just selfish. And it breaks my heart that they are betraying everything I thought I learned from them. I guess maybe they didnt influence me as much as I thought.
It was kind of funny though, because my husband was like, "Now you know how I feel." At least they are a-okay with me and my husband, though, at this rate, I'm worried that wont be the case in a couple years.
I’m getting pretty convinced that as people get older, they get more selfish. The evidence is all anecdotal for me, but perhaps the mentality of “I don’t have much time left, better get mine” creeps in for those who aren’t satisfied with what they have. (Which, of course, is doubly so for those who were already selfish)
But yeah that propaganda “news” is a powerful bitch.
Recently I have been looking at how ai is likely to impact my job. There are things I would do career-wise, if I were in my twenties, that are not realistic at my age.
Ageism exists, so does the simple fact that an employee in their twenties can put in much longer hours (at least until they burn out) than I (who was worked to burnout in my 20's/30's).
I have to think carefully about what I am going to be able to do as I get older and weaker, in what I am sure is going to be a more economically constrained time.
That "I don't have much time left, better get mine" can be driven by fear, or legitimate concern, rather than selfishness, at least in some cases. Yeah others just want to pull up the drawbridge when they get economically secure. Capitalism pits us against each other, join a union, vote for genuine socialists or similar, or read a few books and try and change things.
Your parents might lack empathy and are cruel, therefore they are looking for other cruel people to confirm their cruel behavior: The cruelty is the point
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/
Your parents are not nice people. It happens, my parents were not nice people.
My parents care on the micro level, where it applies to people they directly know, but have no ability to show empathy on the macro level and it breaks my heart.
The modern “conservative”. So self-centered that they only give a shit about something when it affects them. They wear this lack of empathy as a badge of honor.
god this feels so accurate
It takes a certain type of fundamentally fucked-up personality to consider that killing and maiming is an acceptable career. The military then spends vast sums on further brutalising those people until they kill on command without question. Violence and cruelty stalk their lives. He is One of Us, therefore he is better than One of Them.
just look at the millions and millions of gamers who don’t wanna do anything but pretend to shoot automatic weapons at other players for 10 seconds on repeat. it’s a bloodthirsty culture underneath the facade of civility and modern advancement.
The key word there is “pretend”
I'm guessing they consume a lot of Fox News or similar? Propaganda works.