Also the Islamic Golden age. Imagine being the empire that spread algebra, Arabic numbers, the start of modern medicine, astronomy, and science but no one knows it came from you. Heartbreaking.
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That's what happens when the successors do everything in their power to destroy your libraries. The destruction of the enemies history and literature is a longstanding human tradition.
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I think at least they commonly get credit in the West for their astronomy. Most of the stars that are visible to the naked eye in the northern hemisphere have Arabic names that are still in use
Thanks to plenty of anti-Islamic propaganda over the years
If your empire doesn’t include Italy it does t count.
Brits in shambles
Now I'm even more in favor of this razor.
And yet people still complain about the Holy Roman Empire not being an empire (Southern Italy doesn't count).
Umayyad bro?
To be fair, it's probably a little easier when there are far fewer people than there are in modern times.
Let's see how easily you get from Tehran to Barcelona without motors
I mean, more people also means more people available for your army. It's probably a wash all things considered.
Conquest is more difficult in the modern day due to military technology increasingly privileging the defender, and organizational technology creating coherent states and national identities which resist absorption into a hostile polity better than the subjects of dynastic regimes.
What? I mean of course there were far fewer people in the Middle East than in modern times, but that's true everywhere. By area there's a lot of desert in former Umayyad territory, but still from west to east you had densely populated areas in Iberia, the Mediterranean coast, Egypt, the Levant, Mesopotamia, Persia and India. At its peak the Umayyad Caliphate contained 13% of the world's population, so they were definitely no slouches on that front.
You're saying there were more people in those regions 1200 years ago than today.
Egypt alone has more people in it today than the mongols, Romans or umayyed ever had on their own.
Oh shit I mixed that up. I meant that there are far fewer people there than in modern times.
Completely peacful expansion right? Islam is a religion of peace right? No way they conquered, exploited and genocided like other empires right?
Say, seen any Zoroastrian or Nubians lately?
Completely peacful expansion right? Islam is a religion of peace right? No way they conquered, exploited and genocided like other empires right?
No one fucking said anything of the sort.
Say, seen any Zoroastrian or Nubians lately?
Fucking what
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Zoroastrians#%3A%7E%3Atext=Persecution+by+Muslims%2C-Persecution Here, some reading material on the cultures nearly destroyed by "Swole Caliphate"
From your own source:
Several historians express doubt about the entire narrative of the forced conversions of the Zoroastrians, citing many examples of tolerance that were shown by the Muslim overlords concluding that "in the face of such facts, it is surely impossible to attribute the decay of Zoroastrianism entirely to violent conversions made by the Muslim conquerors".[88] Sir Thomas Arnold suggests that some of the conversions of the former-Zoroastrians were actually sincere citing the similarities between the two religions as a motivation for the conversions.[88] Stepaniants also (like Arnold) declares that some historians have said that some of the conversions to Islam were sincere citing the fact that Islam offered a broader door of brotherhood, unlike the restrictive criteria of Zoroastrianism.[89] Nevertheless, Sir Thomas Arnold does acknowledge that the persecution of Zoroastrians did take place later on.[90] Stepaniants states that many persecutions took place during the reign of the Abbasids, and around that time was when the Parsi exodus took place.[33] But regardless, both Arnold and Stepaniants say that the Islam is not to be blamed entirely for the decline of Zoroastrianism.[91][88]
But more curious is why you think Nubia was, in some form or fashion, wiped out by Islam.
It is also worth noting that you can find contra arguments for nearly every complex event happening and that history is written by the victors. I am sure the Incas and Mayans also "freely" converted to Christianity under the Spanish. The fact is that religion is a very difficult thing to eradicate to this degree without significant violence and discrimination.
Regarding the Nubians. They survived invasion from the Egyptians, Greeks and Romans, but under Islam, their culture was largely eradicated as a non-islamic group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubians#%3A%7E%3Atext=The+fall+of+the+kingdom+of+Christian+Nubia+occurred+in+the+early+1500s+resulting+in+full+Islamization+and+reunification+with+Egypt+under+the+Ottoman+Empire%2C+the+Muhammad+Ali+dynasty%2C+and+British+colonial+rule.+After+the+1956+independence+of+Sudan+from+Egypt%2C+Nubia+and+the+Nubian+people+became+divided+between+Southern+Egypt+and+Northern+Sudan.
I think my main point is that Empires are usually built violence and subjugation. but when it comes to Christian and Islamic empires, they also include cultural and religions subjugation, which has destroyed many distinct and irreplaceable cultures that have existed for thousands of years prior.
Regarding the Nubians. They survived invasion from the Egyptians, Greeks and Romans, but under Islam, their culture was largely eradicated as a non-islamic group:
... your own source notes that Nubians still exist in large numbers, and that conversion largely occurred before conquest.
Are you saying they killed Freddie Mercury?
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?
PS: What do you think happened to Zoroastrians and Nubians?
PS2: Genocide is historically not a common affair so I'm not sure what you're talking about here.
PS3: Islam never claims to be "the religion of peace;" this phrase was created by Westerners for a variety of reasons, so like what?
PS3: Islam never claims to be "the religion of peace;" this phrase was created by Westerners for a variety of reasons, so like what?
As a westerner, I could buy that this is just a piece of propaganda I've just heard too many times, but it seems like I've heard immigrants from Muslim majority countries say this as well.
Probably a stretch to ask (so no worries if you can't provide) but can you point to any resources agreeing with your claim on this?
Ok apparently I was wrong. The name was adopted by Western politicians in the wake of 9/11, heavily contributing to its present day (completely undeserved IMO) popularity, but apparently before that it originated and continues to be used for Islamic preaching.