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...I could have told you that 🀷

Source: https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1984574165643403370

Not my usual kind of source (Xitter), but I want any centrists out there who ask trans people to "just get along" / compromise with actual hate groups that want them eradicated to know that it doesn't work.

There is no such thing as a reasonable bigot, by definition.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Wu is just the latest poster child for Reactionary Uncle Tom washouts. There's internet graveyards full of would-be pundits and ex-liberal turncoats who realized far too late that The Log Cabin Republicans and Blacks for Trump weren't going to protect them when fascists came knocking.

The thing you need to recognize about Wu - more than anything else - is that she comes from money. Look at my Porsche collection money. She's reactionary because that's where she eats. And pivoting her identity as a Trans Woman into an income stream as a reactionary poster is just the path failkids of the GenZ+ generations are trained into.

Brianna Wu is a product of her material conditions. In a better world, she wouldn't be able to horde wealth at her neighbors' expense. And she wouldn't have an economic incentive to fuck over her Trans peers in hopes of maintaining her precarious position among the wealthy elites.

[–] WilloftheWest@feddit.uk 5 points 1 hour ago

The problem with compromising for a β€œmiddle ground” is that, when the right decide to re-litigate the issue (if they ever stop litigating to begin with), your starting position is now that middle ground. Compromising for a middle ground simply moves the Overton window to the right.

[–] thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I remember a long time ago someone told me β€œyou can’t reason with crazy.” These people are living in a completely unrealistic universe and do not have their wits about them. You can call them evil or whatever, but even so, they should be getting help from a medical professional because whatever is going on with these people is completely toxic, unhealthy, and destructive, even for themselves. I’ve pretty much written off anyone who still supports this administration a couple of years ago, as any reasonable person has already abandoned Trump and anyone else he associates with.

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 7 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, I have been so dissappointed after her turn in the past few years. Like WTF was she even thinking was going to happen. These assholes are not ever going to be anything but assholes.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

What a pathetic person :c

[–] waterbird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

once again ignoring entirely that trans masc people exist and we are impacted by the bullshit she spouts as well. what impacts one of us affects all of us, and I am not your fucking sister.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org -3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Transmascs aren't part of her personal experience. That makes sense to me. Also they are not the primary enemy of the Anti-Trans people.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Also they are not the primary enemy of the Anti-Trans people.

In the same way that lesbians weren't the "primary enemy" of Anti-Gay people. They ate shit all the same.

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[–] Eloratatouille@retrolemmy.com 19 points 12 hours ago

Not my sister.

[–] CrystalRainwater@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Is Brianna wu grifting to the left because she realizes there isn't a place for her on the right anymore? I'm a bit too cynical to believe this is legitimate since the right has been like this for quite a while. Just with the trump admin the center right position on the trans movement is not a profitable option for pundits anymore

If this truly is a come to Jesus moment, I'll believe it if she can back it up over time

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I think a lot of the pickme's out there are like the rats on a doomed ship. They are sensing the coming shift before anyone else because they have less to lose and more to gain from becoming early adopters of the new "I was fooled" narrative that is going to absolutely sweep the right after Trump finally keels over.

There will be no successor, at least not of equal power and leadership who can hold Trump's infinity stone of stupidity, his base of fanatical loyalists who cling to his fetid authenticity like ticks on the back of a deer with spongiform encephalitis.

So when the pendulum of social discourse swings the other way, it will be like magic... every single Trump die-hard and zionist riding on the fact that their positions can hide behind the far worse things going on, will have up and just disappeared like farts in the wind. It will be a miracle, it will be like every nazi and trump sycophant just evaporated back into the shadows, and the grifters will have to suddenly race back into the overton window to capitalize on this temporary change in wind direction.

[–] wabasso@lemmy.ca 1 points 35 minutes ago

I hope you’re right!

[–] Azal@pawb.social 10 points 13 hours ago

My attitude after the last election is trust no republican, they'll go back the second they can while crying to the left when they're being mistreated by their own.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 39 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

"You know, I'm starting to think these ethnicity-critical Nazis can't be reasoned with."

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

"I am starting to feel like these face-eating leopards I allied with are eyeing my face with increasing hunger."

[–] lilmookieesquire@lemmy.today 48 points 19 hours ago

Goldwater was absolute dogwater but he was right about republicans in 1981…

β€œOn religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs."

"Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

In a negotiation its important to ask for more than you want. Compromise is what you reach during negotiations. If you start your negotiations from a pre-compromised position, you're just ceding ground to the other side.

Support the extremists. Support those who go too far and ask too much, as that's the only way to reach a fair and reasonable compromise.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Congrats, you have a better grasp of negotiation than a 6-figure-salary consultant contracted to the DNC.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago

Oh, they ask for more than they want.

[–] BabyVi@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (8 children)

Me over here with actually somewhat radical positions.

All HRT should be available OTC. (Yes, including T.)

A parent denying a child access to puberty blockers should be required to pay reparations if the child continues to identify as trans into adulthood.

Require unisex bathrooms for any business larger than a bananna stand.

[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 17 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

I'm going to push back on OTC HRT because of the health risks. Supraphysiologic estrogen and testosterone can both have lethal side effects, so correct dosing and monitoring for health complications are essential components of trans healthcare.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago

Both are already OTC in most of the world, specifically most developing countries.

More importantly, you are applying an insane and bad-faith standard when assessing medication. ANY medication can have lethal side effects. Down a bottle full of Tylenol and you'll condemn yourself to a slow agonizing death of liver failure. Yet you can buy that shit at gas stations.

You answered the wrong question. You asked, "can HRT be dangerous?" Any rational person trying to form an unbiased opinion about it would ask, "is HRT of comparable risk to existing OTC medications?"

[–] BabyVi@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

DIY saved my life. I purchased bloodtests and monitored my own treatment. But it would have been a lot safer had I not needed to order estrogen online from a foreign supplier.

[–] bss03 7 points 13 hours ago

You can get lethal effects from nicotine, alcohol, bleach, ammonia, and many, many combinations of chemicals that are available with, at most, age verification.

I'm all for people educating themselves as much as they want, from whatever sources they trust, but bodily autonomy DEMANDS someone be able to direct their own medication, including gender affirming medication. Doctor-as-gatekeeper is, IMO, not as good a model as Doctor-as-confidant-and-educator.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 115 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (3 children)

This is why advocating for "finding middle ground", or centrism, or this repackaged warmed over Abundance crap is so toxic.

You can't match these people half way. you have to beat them

[–] Microw@piefed.zip 4 points 6 hours ago

Political centrism works well in a staunch democracy with a certain Overton window. As soon as these Alt-Righters have influence in a country, it doesn't work anymore.

[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 38 points 22 hours ago

Most arguments have a middle ground, but its a case by case basis. In this case the sides are:

  • let a marginalized group experience a little joy and feel comfortable in their bodies

  • refuse to accept that a middle school understanding of gender and biology might not be totally correct.

Meeting in the middle here is how you get second class citizens.

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[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 69 points 21 hours ago

First off, Brianna Wu is not my sister or comrade, so she can write that down.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 51 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

"The problem is, they are getting crazier and crazier."

They're not, they just don't feel the need to hide those parts of their goals any more, and you should have listened to us when we warned you about those goals.

And you should be listening to us now about their future goals.

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[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 84 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

It’s sad she’s so close but still on β€˜I want a middle ground on these issues’ really? Like…. She is okay with a little disrespect? A little discrimination?

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

She is desperate for a place that she can be considered "one of the good ones" with the implicit idea of "there are bad ones and they deserve to be treated worse than the good ones". She doesn't understand that the world builds rules on foundational ideas that are just straw men dressed in stereotypes - no one bothers with distinction.

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[–] Lydia_K@lemmy.world 53 points 22 hours ago

Just a little second class citizen, as a treat.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 12 hours ago

just like Jenner wants, a little here and there. still not palatable to magats though.

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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 42 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

Even after all of that, she still doesn't get it:

I think many of our most extreme ideas are bad. But theirs are worse.

The problem is that "our" (using quotes as I'm only progressive, not LGBTQ+) most extreme ideas are only held by a minority of progressive people, and meanwhile the things she thinks are their "most extreme ideas" are the ones that she saw personally, while interacting with people who don't mind interacting with a trans-woman. Those aren't their "most extreme ideas." They're their mainstream ideas.

She's comparing our most extreme ideas against their mainstream ideas.

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 4 points 2 hours ago

I would love to know what those extreme left ideas that are bad are. Like 99% of progressive ideas boil down to "stop treating other people like shit."

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 14 hours ago

Progressives have given so much ground that their encampment is on middle-ground.

[–] squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

For those who are not familiar with Brianna Wu: She has tried to be a left-wing grifter, before she discovered that it got her nowhere and thus decided to be a right-wing grifter instead. She tried to the right-wing's "good trans woman", agreeing with everything they said, until the above message. And yeah, she is already trying to spin this yet again...

And if you think that all of that is rather weird, she is also the creator of this masterpiece.

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[–] Quexotic 4 points 14 hours ago

The fact that this is dated Nov 1st... How the hell could it take you this long to figure it out??

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Importantly there is an immediate follow up tweet,

2/ I consider my business settled with all trans sisters. If anyone wants to reset things, unblock and move forward, I am happy to do that

I'm glad she was able to admit she was wrong, that's absolutely a step in the right direction, but it's just a step. I don't want to speak of behalf of "trans sisters", but I certainly wouldn't consider the matter closed. She's apologized, great, but there is A LOT more work to be done.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 2 points 6 hours ago

Well she was able to admit that she was probably wrong.

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