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[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Dumbshit Democrat voters need to be reminded how horrible Trump is. Can't remember just four fucking years ago.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 6 points 3 hours ago

The Democratic establishment has still failed to line up and support Mamdani in NY, so there isn't going to be much patience on the left for hearing about what Democratic "voters" don't get. The voters aren't the source of the problem.

[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 24 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

And they will still manage to fuck it up somehow

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Schumer and Jeffries are doing a very, very lame and cringe dance around their office right now, as dreams of status-quo and elderly, out-of-touch representatives preserving wealth inequality dance in their heads.

"This means we can run Harris again, right?"

"Of course, and we will make Liz Cheney her running mate this time around, it's assured to succeed, it checks all the boxes, diversity! bipartisanship! Women in power! The people will love it!"

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I'm reminded of a recent debate about fixing ICE, where someone said "What do you mean, fix them? They're working as intended."

To me, the Democratic party evokes a similar problem: I believe their goal is to maintain between 40-60% popularity. So, the champagne is uncorked at 40, not 50; because they don't care about winning. They just care about people being scared of a loss, and viewing them as a strong-enough alternative to send them massive numbers of donations. If they were below 40, then people might lose hope in them or form an alternative. If they were above 60, then they could stand to cozy up to some corrupt billionaires, get away with some horrible legislative corruption for profit, and stand to drop a few points.

But the key here is, all of this only works because of fear of a far, far worse alternative. I've voted in elections where I had reasonable faith that every candidate on the ballet wanted the best for their constituents, and voted based on policy improvement and experience. As long as one party is so far below the basic standards that a corrupt career politician seems better if he can promise "No secret police", then the Democrats' way of maintaining 40-60 is easy.

So, next time they run a candidate that gets a "failure" of 45% of the vote, remember, they're not your friends and they don't care; they hit their goal. It's still a failure of people that voted for a wolf in wolf's clothing.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 42 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

TBH I don't care about a 2018 lead, I want to see the 1975-1979 lead where the Democrats gain supermajority. I want to see 1894 type of numbers where the overreaching party who implemented tariffs see a 100+ seat loss.

I want every single Republican out of a job.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

100+ seat loss isn’t possible in the US. City/Suburban ideology is the polar opposite of the rural one. Our system gives disproportionate voices to people who live in rural areas. Young people today have left their rural communities for the cities because it’s not possible to lead a comfortable working life in rural America anymore. The Carter flip was only possible because the democratic base was diffused across many rural counties; that’s not the case anymore.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 hours ago

There is no such thing as city/suburban ideology. Sure, cities and rural areas are different, but if Trump screws them both, they're both capable of voting against him.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

It literally happened in the exact example I gave. Only 35 seats total are up for reelection in the house but I was being clear about what I wanted.

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[–] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Pools doesn’t matter if people don’t go and vote

[–] CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

pools always matter! You can cool down, get some exercise, maybe even play some Marco Polo.

[–] lando55@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 hours ago

You can win money at the office, maybe play some billiards

[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 16 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

Is there any reason to trust these polls? I feel like they've been wrong since 2016

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

The problem with 2016 was that the polls accurately predicted who would win the popular vote, because that's what they measure. The 270toWin poll based outcome showed Trump's chance of victory LINK HERE, and so did 538 which is no longer available as it was purchased by ABC News and taken offline.

Trump's loss in 2020 and victory again in 2024 were also predicted by both aggregate polls and online betting platforms.

The problem with poll inaccuracy is solved by two methods: increased sample size and giving priority based on perceived bias (gaining back points for having clear and accurate data available to the public).

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

Maybe?

I don't have the time or energy to dive into the methodology to figure out if any poll is conducted scientifically. What I do know is that it's way easier to build a bad poll, and easier still to hit the bricks and generate heaps of bad data.

What I really wish these would ask are things like: "if you had the only vote and could write-in anyone that is eligable, even if they're not on the ballot, who would you choose?"... or: "Who is your favorite person in politics right now?" Disregarding of all the nonsense answers, you'd probably find out a lot more about hearts and minds versus whatever controlled choices major parties are propping up.

[–] bobaworld@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

I think 2016 proved that we should actively ignore them and not get complacent based on poll numbers.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 hours ago

Since only 2016?

[–] CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 14 hours ago

2018 wasn't a fucking banner year. PANIC AS DEMOCRATS AREN'T HATED ACROSS THE BOARD wouldn't be quite the headline I guess.

[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Don’t worry, the Democratic establishment will figure out a way to quickly fuck this up before the midterm elections.

I’m sure they will choose a panel of milquetoast corporate centrist neo-liberal fuck wads for the people to choose from and again blame it on voter apathy. add a little corporate campaign, finance rule, bending to funnel the most amount of money towards their desired candidate and you have the classic recipe for “ Why do Democrats always lose elections?”

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It is so much easier and so much more profitable to be the minority party of opposition to evil. You don't need exciting new ideas, just exciting "back to normal" ideas. ...and even "normal" can be made progressively shittier every cycle.

The rich and powerful can handpick their favorite candidates, negotiate a few table scraps in the direction of normal that they're willing to accept, and call it a win. The campaign industrial complex gets to make a shit load of money.

Most importantly, their ultimate campaign slogan is "Vote for me, or else evil wins." Easy money all around.

Then when nothing good happens during a Democrats's turn, they can blame Democrats and then the Republicans they handpick get to ratchet things back in the rich's direction again.

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[–] JHRD1880@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

We'll see, it's still ages until the midterms. Let's first assume there will be midterms.

[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 17 hours ago

Thats a very dodgy assumption.

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Democratic Leadership: Hold my beer

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 day ago

Next headline, in November: "Unexpected last-minute swing to GOP."

And the obvious conclusion will never be drawn.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The Dems have done absolutely fuck-all to resist Trump, and damn near everything short of murder to resist Mamdani, and yet their lead grows and grows.

As it turns out, boycotting Kamala in 2024 and surrendering the whole country to fascism did jack shit to move the party left. Just like 2016.

Almost as if the only way to get progressive dems in office isn't surrendering to Republicans in November, but voting for progressives in the primary.

Too bad the 2026 and 2028 elections will be entirely compromised by Trump and it'll never matter again anyway.

[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

You are acting like this was a plan. It wasnt a plan. It was a natural consequence of what happens when everyone is corrupt. Youre basically saying "vote for A, because it will be worse with B". And no one votes for that. NO ONE! You cant shame people who didnt vote into voting. But you know what you can do? You can stop voting for prick in the Dems who 100% are corrupt as fuck, just because they are dems.

The party will only listen, once YOU and all those like YOU stop voting them in to power. The likes of Nancy fucking Pelosi, who suckering you all over 38 years. Feinstein, over 32 years. Schumer, over 26 years. The list goes on and on. Corrupt people, who put party and donor interests before the people. And you all keep voting them in.

You want things to change? Thats how you do it. Let them know that no one is safe.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 144 points 2 days ago (8 children)

The only Congresional poll that matters is the one next November, and Republicans are doing everything they can to make sure that they can still control Congress, even if the Majority of voters don't want them to.

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[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Really, though, it says a lot about how shitty the democratic party is that the headline says “since 2018” instead of “since the beginning of time”. Trump is a disgusting, rancorous idiot. Everything about him is vile, from his appearance to his voice to his tiny reptilian brain. The fact that the democrats came in second to this human shitstain strongly suggests that the must have, oh i dunno, badly and repeatedly disappointed the american people.

Maybe they could shit-can their entire leadership and get behind someone like Mamdani. Or just disband and make room for a new party.

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[–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Same as the first Trump admin. Dude can't govern, and people will respond to that. Except this time he's ethnically cleansing rather than just doing covid wrong.

Everyone in the US better hope dems can field a candidate through their fucked up primary system that's gonna be young and re-electable. It's gonna take at least 8 years to even slightly unfuck this mess.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (5 children)

8 years… ha ha ha!!! I know you said at least but I'm not sure will ever truly know how much they’ve fucked things up. I’m 55 and I doubt it will be fixed before I die.

And if they don’t put some guardrails with some serious teeth and consequences to fix all of things most politicians generally followed in good faith it’s just gonna happen again. I’m seriously starting to believe the American experiment is over. Late stage capitalism, tribalism, and any appearance of empathy have killed it.

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[–] _chris@lemmy.world 68 points 2 days ago

Which is exactly why the nazis in charge are already undermining elections and have been for years. Building up deniability in the minds of their racist voters to make it easier to control the results if not throw them out entirely.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

So Shittler will say elections are stolen and illegal when the midterms roll around and maga gets tossed to the curb? And then what?

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

Since the last time they forgot they made the same mistake.

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