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And why don't we fix it already?

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[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because a 3/4 time signature means "three fourth notes".

Also, music notation is arbitrary and doesn't matter.

[–] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Also, music notation is arbitrary and doesn’t matter.

Exactly what I was shouting into the void when taking music history/theory at uni and struggling.

"Why is it this way? None of this makes sense!"

"Some dudes 400 years ago started it this way and we've only slightly changed it since"

[–] fan0m@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Because when you’re writing something for a large ensemble and you need them to play the right notes and rhythms there needs to be a standard way to notate music. Otherwise you waste time teaching individual parts.

And it does mostly make sense. It’s just that there’s room for interpretation.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

I watched a documentary a while ago that explored the history of music notation. It's something that evolved, it wasn't meticulously planned out. And it turns out the notation we use today is very good to being able to read music quickly (compared to other historical methods).

[–] gigastasio@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The term “quarter note” or “fourth note” applies to the note because there are four of them in a whole note. In other words, the names of the notes apply to their subdivisions respective to each other, not the time signature.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah. OP should be asking why a whole note only fits 1 bar of 4/4 (or 2/2, 1/1, 8/8, 16/16, etc).

[–] gigastasio@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I had the idea that a way to solve this would be to create a symbol that means, “play this note for the entire duration of the measure, regardless of meter.” As far as I know such a symbol doesn’t exist in standard notation.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's because it wouldnt help for sight reading the way you might think. Especially where there's multiple voices like in complex piano parts. For example if you want one note to for 8 eighth notes in 4/4, but some to go for 10. Now we have to choose to use current notation or the new fangled "whole measure" or even "rest of measure" notation, and if using new fangled, we still use old notation for edge cases.

It's hard to fight the status quo.

[–] RockBottom@feddit.org 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You refer to 4/4 as the default?

[–] gigastasio@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don’t refer to 4/4 at all.

I refer first to the whole note, existing independently of any time signature. In fact, you don’t even have to assign a rhythmic value to it for now; the purpose of this exercise is to learn why the rhythmic names of the notes are what they are.

Next, envision the half note. So named because they are exactly half the value of the whole note. Two half notes = one whole note. With me so far?

Next, we move to the note in question - the quarter note. So named because it takes four of them to equal the rhythmic value of the whole note.

Now this is important: You originally called it the “fourth note.” So take note: do not confuse the word “fourth” here to mean “fourth in a series,” or “the fourth beat of the measure,” because that’s not the correct application of the word. “Fourth” in this context is synonymous with “quarter.” So a “fourth note” as you call it is so named because it’s one-fourth (¼) the value of the whole note.

This is about as EILI5 as I can make this.

[–] RockBottom@feddit.org 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Why divide rhythmic values at their center and not at the third or fifth?

[–] gigastasio@sh.itjust.works 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I wish you and your teachers the best of luck in your musical studies.

[–] RockBottom@feddit.org 1 points 23 hours ago

I just avoid notation.

[–] RockBottom@feddit.org 0 points 2 days ago

I would need an audio example.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't know what you're proposing exactly that you think would "fix" it, but you might be surprised at how many attempts to reform music notation have come and gone over the years. Perhaps the one you're looking for has already been invented.

[–] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know I can do my own research here, but I'd be keen to hear some keywords from you I can search about these different notations.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 5 points 2 days ago

I dunno, I've just seen a few weird ones over the years. My search didn't turn up any better place to start than the wikipedia page on musical notation which does cover quite a few of them.

[–] 48954246@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

https://youtu.be/Eq3bUFgEcb4

This is an excellent video essay on the subject. Really goes into detail on why this is practically an unsolvable problem

[–] markz@suppo.fi 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

"Fixing" notation is kinda like "fixing" English language. Besides, quarter notes make sense in the context of the rest of the system.

[–] DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Quarter notes should be called "beat notes" or something, since they're equal to one beat in the measure.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 5 points 2 days ago

not in 6/8 or 2/2 - both are useful. You can not reduce fractions as time signatures are not fractions even thouth they appear that way.

[–] MurrayL@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

In the UK they’re called crotchets, but I’m not sure that’s any less confusing.