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"The new device is built from arrays of resistive random-access memory (RRAM) cells.... The team was able to combine the speed of analog computation with the accuracy normally associated with digital processing. Crucially, the chip was manufactured using a commercial production process, meaning it could potentially be mass-produced."

Article is based on this paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41928-025-01477-0

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[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This was bound to happen. Neural networks are inherently analog processes, simulating them digitally is massively expensive in terms of hardware and power.

Digital domain is good for exact computation, analog is better for approximate computation, as required by neural networks.

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 47 points 2 days ago (3 children)

You might benefit from watching Hinton's lecture; much of it details technical reasons why digital is much much better than analog for intelligent systems

BTW that is the opposite of what he set out to prove He says the facts forced him to change his mind

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IkdziSLYzHw

[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you for the link, it was very interesting.

Even though analogue neural networks have the drawback that you can't copy the neuron weights (currently, but tech may evolve to do it), they can still have use cases in lower powered edge devices.

I think we'll probably end up with hybrid designs, using digital for most parts except the calculations.

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[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

much of it details technical reasons why digital is much much better than analog for intelligent systems

For current LLMs there would be a massive gain in energy efficiency if analogue computing was used. Much of the current energy costs come from stimulating what effectively analogue processing on digital hardware. There's a lot lost in the conversation, or "emulation" of analogue.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I wish researchers like Hinton would stick to discussing the tech. Anytime he says anything about linguistics or human intelligence he sounds like a CS major smugly raising his hand in Phil 101 to a symphony of collective groans.

Hinton is a good computer scientist (with an infinitesimally narrow window of expertise). But the guy is philosophically illiterate.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 points 1 day ago

That and the way companies have been building AI they have been doing so little to optimize compute to instead try to get the research out faster because that's what is expected in this bubble. I'm absolutely fully expecting to see future research finding plenty of ways to optimize these major models.

But also R&D has been entirely focused on digital chips I would not be at all surprised if there were performance and/or efficiency gains to be had in certain workloads by shifting to analog circuits

[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's a good point. The model weights could be voltage levels instead of digital representations. Lots of audio tech uses analog for better fidelity.I also read that there's a startup using particle beams for lithography. Exciting times.

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

At least one Nobel Laureate has exactly the opposite opinion (see the Hinton lecture above)

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

what audio tech uses analog for better fidelity?

[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Vinyl records, analog tube amplifiers, a good pair of speakers 🤌

Honestly though digital compression now is so good it probably sounds the same.

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[–] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago
[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This already a thing, there’s a US lab doing this

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I hope Nvidia stock drops 10% so I can buy more.

Actually its so high up now, I think losing 10% isnt enough for it to look like a good buy.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

it would need to drop a lot more than 10%

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 10 points 2 days ago

This is not a new line of research in the sense that this is not the only place looking in the mixed analog/digital computers. been articles on it for at least a year I think and when digital was taking over there was a lot of discussion around it being inferior to analog so I bet its been being thrown around to combine the two likely since digital became a thing.

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Who is China? Why is it so smart?

[–] Inucune@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

West Taiwan. Because The Great Ruling Party said so.

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