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[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

id wager that in toronto, you could build all the subways and LRT and trains, and the road traffic would stay the same. people don't look at cars just for convince, its a cultural thing in north America, that your life is sorted out, like having a house, a good job, savings/retirement fund. people look and treat you weird if you don't have a car or can't drive (ask me how i know that)

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's why road diets and reducing road capacity is also important. Like Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Madrid or Vienna, the space dedicated to cars also have to be reduced in order to incite people to use something else than a car.

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

they tried doing that in a stretch of toronto and it was removed as soon as it was put up, the drivers just have that much leeway here

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

9m wide?

Those are some fat train tracks. Usually they're barely over 1m wide.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 days ago

Standard guage rails are 1.435m wide, plus surrounding space because trains are wider than rails plus a second track.

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[–] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Can the roughly 1000 people per minute board the metro in a minute?

Or rather, since there are 2 metros in 9m, and traffic in all directions, can 500 people board a metro in a minute if another 500 people have to unboard first, or just 100 if not everybody uses the same stop?

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Not a problem. Stations where a lot of people board and unboard at the same time have sometimes platform where one side is for boarding, and the other for unboarding. Plus, trains can have more doors per car.

[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Usually these systems rely on people getting on/off at different stops, rather than one stop seeing full volume. If it's one stop, chances are it'll look like a terminus station and you'll need several platforms and possibly dual-side boarding to each train. It'll be quite a bit wider than tracks with no station, or a minimalist station.

This is pretty common at major sports arenas.

The same of course applies to other transit options: high-capacity bus stops take up space, and motorway interchanges and especially carparks also take up a lot of space.

Usually these systems rely on people getting on/off at different stops, rather than one stop seeing full volume. If it’s one stop, chances are it’ll look like a terminus station and you’ll need several platforms and possibly dual-side boarding to each train. It’ll be quite a bit wider than tracks with no station, or a minimalist station.

yeah, on the tram line i typically take, we have like 1 stop where lots of people get on/off, like 30 people per door, and it always takes 1-2 minutes to unload all the people/new people to enter. i think it's just outright planned-into into the route's timing plan.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

If you want to account for boarding platforms in the metro example, you also have to account for the parking in the car example to make a reasonably fair comparison.

[–] Teepo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

Yes, these kinds of transfer numbers are easily possible (even though other posters have said you don't actually have 1,000 getting on or off at one stop). As an example, consider the subway of Toronto, Canada on its busiest line, Line 1. A subway train is 138m (450 ft) long with 6 cars (though there is no internal barrier between cars) and a capacity of about 1,500 people. Each car has 4 door sets per side, and these door sets are about 1.5m (5 ft) wide. People can easily fit through them in pairs, so moving 4 or more people per door set when in a rush is very doable. With 24 door sets (only one side opens at a station), that's 96 people entering or exiting per second, so 10 or 11 seconds for 1,000 people. If you think 4 per second per door is too optimistic, then it's 1,000 people in 20 seconds.

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[–] udon@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (8 children)
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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 3 days ago

That's a wide track...

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