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[–] schema@lemmy.world 187 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

A 175m road scaled in reference to the 35m wide lane:

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 days ago

Yeah i was thinking that too, no way 175m is that narrow.

[–] xep@discuss.online 12 points 3 days ago

Thank you for this, the picture was really bothering me.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Infographic not to scale (for some reason)

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

One should include bikes and also costs per person per journey. Will probably need logarithmic scale.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Some say that cars represent freedom and the ability to go where you want when you want.

But tech oligarchs want to destroy that, too. Basically by having their cars require a connection and monitor your every movement within the car and where you are going and when. They also are obsessed with self-driving cars because they then would have more control over your movements.

In short there will BE no plus side to having a car in the very near future. They are enshittifying everything.

If it wasn't so dystopian, I'd be for it. Self driving cars that you can book as needed would require less space be devoted to parking and one vehicle could serve as transportation for more people. Combined with easy and accessible public transit and thoughtful pedestrian and cyclist-friendly city design, being less reliant on vehicles sounds like a dream. If you could book the equivalent of an Uber and have it be available within 5 minutes for a reasonable price, why wouldn't you? In such a scenario, cars would only be for hobbyists. Those who aren't able to drive (elderly, people with disabilities) would have more equitable access to, well, anything that requires you to physically be somewhere.

Truthfully though, I don't see a place where capatilism would allow this to happen. Selling everyone their own vehicle, with their own maintenance fees (and now subscription fees), accessories, fuel, etc.. is way too lucrative.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Helsinki just had 0 traffic deaths this past year because they focused all their funding on improving public transportation and bike lanes, disincentivizing car use, and punishing motorists who use their phone or speed by setting up cameras.

I sure wish somebody would look at that incredible success story and try to emulate it here. Unfortunately, public transit seems to be getting less reliable over time instead, which just encourages more car use.

[–] bluemite@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Whenever someone brings up a European city like this, they seem to ignore the fact that the entire country of Finland is roughly the size of the state of Montana. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Okay? We can still compare Helsinki to a similar sized American city. I don't see how that's unfair.

[–] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 88 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Okay, but if you look carefully at the top of the inverted pyramid, you'll notice that there are no homeless people allowed to participate.

Also, the bottom has no less than six trees which is Woke.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The whole thing stinks of socialism.

Like we should, idk, pool our resources to "improve" our lives or something....

Nah, I'd rather burn prehistoric forests in my trukk because I'm so free.

America, fuck yeah

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago

"Now I'm gonna go roll coal just to own the libz"

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

I guess for bicycles, you'd get that down to about 7 meters. Estimated from heavily used bike lanes in Copenhagen where at rush hour two bikes per second pass (7200 persons per hour). Edit: Here is a video of bike rush hour in Amsterdam - try to count the number of persons passing per second.

Fun fact: The distance at which bikes with good paths are faster than metros / rapid transit / commuter rail, or light rail is surprisingly large. I commute to the center of Munich, 14 kilometers one way. It is about 50 minutes on the bike and 60-75 by light rail. And I go at leisurly speed. Plus the bike is much more reliable (outside of icy winter weather, where bike paths are not cleared).

Edit: I'd like to add that for bikes, you don't need necessarily need a single 7 meter wide connection. Four connections, each 2 meters wide, will do fine, too!

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[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 20 points 3 days ago

Very much not proportional this representation.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 days ago (6 children)

A very large blender and a single water truck.

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[–] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 20 points 3 days ago (4 children)
[–] badcommandorfilename@lemmy.world 45 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Just 1 tandem bike with 50,000 seats

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Video

That's several bikes per second. One hour has 3600 seconds.

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

Metros are good for extremely heavy lines and lrt/tram/whatever other similar form of transit is good for convenience and accessibility(that even well built cities often ignore...) but the king is still bikes in my opinion. I live in a city of 150k so its quite a bit smaller than most places where youd have more mass oriented transit but its still interesting to see that the fastest path to city center is with bike. Not bus, not train(except if you live right next to it) and not car.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

a 175m wide road would be well over 35 lanes of car traffic, closer to 58. Not 7.

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[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm curious about the numbers for tram.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Somewhere between buses and trains.

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[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

id wager that in toronto, you could build all the subways and LRT and trains, and the road traffic would stay the same. people don't look at cars just for convince, its a cultural thing in north America, that your life is sorted out, like having a house, a good job, savings/retirement fund. people look and treat you weird if you don't have a car or can't drive (ask me how i know that)

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People ARE assholes like that, but they will take nice public transit if it's convenient. Especially if you want to have a drink or two going out or to a friend's house.

Sometimes if it's really convenient people take it instead of driving in rush hour which helps everyone!

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[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I was gonna say people need to sacrifice for the greater common good but then I realized what community this was and knew people were on my same wavelength.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago

Now do it with lifted pickup trucks assuming 1.25 seating capacity use

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