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Employer here (yes, I know right?! Sigh). Being on time and punctuality is about respect of other people time not about suppressing workers freedoms. We have no time to arrive for anyone. You can use the office if you like or work remotely from wherever you chose. But being late for a meeting with anyone relayed to the firm (customer or coworker including me) has to stay a seldom occurrence. Having multiple people wait for you 10 min is a pain point for everybody involved. It happens, I get it, but it everybody does not keep it to once in a long while everybody waits at every meeting which is not respectful of their time and its wasting quite some money too (Yes my people earn well above average). Is it too much to ask some basic respectful handling of each other?

BTW: there are employees that can't handle that much autonomy yet. They specifically ask me to check their working hours and be at the office present for them to help them get their hours in and help with technical problems. But that's usually new staff which has not learned to keep a routine. With time they usually get it together sooner or later. Surprisingly most make use of the office pretty regularly and just don't come in if they travel to visit family or need to be at home for family reasons. Its a win all around as far as i am concerned.

You ever ran late to a college class because you had to stay longer than scheduled at your shitty retail job to cover your perpetually late coworker who was supposed to relieve you?

Sometimes running 10 minutes late is no big deal, but sometimes it is. It becomes a problem the moment it causes someone else problems.

Betty can show up ‘on time’ and spend 40 min making coffee and shit talking with her neighbors, but I show up 10 min late and start working right away but I’m the bad employee somehow.

Really depends what you are 10 minutes late for. A meeting with other participants, ok if your role is to sit and listen. Not OK if people are waiting for you to start. It's not OK to be late to relieve a co worker either

10 mins late to an office job where they get their 10m back, AOK.

10 mins late to cashier/sales gig where you're relieving someone else, not great.

10 mins late to a meeting is bad

10 mins late to class is bad.

My job doesn't care if I'm late, and my productivity has not changed

Honestly, if I get the job done and do it to spec, managers can shut the fuck up.

I can see it mattering if it's shift work and someone else has to stay late. If it's office work? Nah. Doesn't matter.

Stay late 10 minutes: that's as good as leaving on time. I can't be expected to pay you more.

Arrive 10 minutes late: how could you? 10 minutes of my time is an eternity!

It definitely depends on the job. I work in TV and live events. If your late you either miss the pre production meeting, or we all have to wait for you to start. If your later than that you are holding the team up and making people work harder to be ready by on-air time.

Is this post serious or just making shit up? Ive never heard anyone claim that 10 minutes late is on time. Late and on time are mutually exclusive words. Whether your work punishes it or not is a different question, im permitted to be 5 minutes late and it counts as on time for example.

This seems more like a post designed to piss people off and make them fight over a position noone had before reading it.

Do they minder if i stay longer? No? Then why complain when I'm late?

Its about the whole picture, am I always late? Is my work done on time and well executed ?

If so... WHO CARES ABOUT THE TIME OR PLACE I DO THAT WORK IN????

So many well-intentioned posts in here are licking the boot. Traffic happens. IBS happens. Children emergencies happen. The company should shoulder the cost of contingencies to account for natural human fluctuation. If the job is mission critical, why are you demanding humans be robots?

Like most statements about work, it really depends on the job.

For shift work without overlapping shifts, being late keeps someone else on duty after their shift is up.

But if you're working an office gig and your work is getting done, it's fine. There's a reason I don't schedule any meetings within an hour of the start or end of the day.

Keep pretending to pay a fair wage and I'll pretend to give a shit about being on time.

I recently did an essay on intergenerational work ethics for uni this semester. Basically, every generation except for Boomers don't care about being on time when compared to giving quality output.

It's a very good day when I show up just 10 minutes late.

Depends on the situation. Meeting up with friends? I wouldn't blink at them being 10 minutes late. Opening shift at a cafe? 10 minutes would put me so far behind I'd be in big trouble.

This is cultural appropriation of italian culture

Unless it's shift work, yeah. What's the problem otherwise?

If you have a meeting first thing, don't.

I wasn't going to do anything productive in that first 10 minutes anyway, so...

Gen X reporting.

Be like Gandalf. Fuck all that other noise.

Mid-millenial, elder millennial for a boss. Start time within half an hour of listed time is accepted practice. Things get done on time, nobody complains about staying ten or fifteen extra to properly wrap up a task. It's very refreshing after years of the boomer song and dance.

Bosses seem to think being on time means being 15 minutes early.

Thoses bosses can go right to hell. You want me working 15 minutes early, you better begin paying me 15 minutes early. I'm not your friend. We have a transaction going between us; I provide specific work between a specific period of time, and you give me money.

Depending on the work, I disagree.

I work on a hangar deck supervising aircraft maintenance. At each shift change, all toolboxes are inventoried and all tools are accounted for. If people regularly show up late, either the few who do show up on time are always responsible for doing the tool inventories (or any other shift change items) or the previous shift ends up having to stay later, which is just disrespectful to them and their time.

Where my wife works, the clinic opens at 8 and the shift starts at 8 for all but the opener, so if her coworkers don't show up at 8, she's having to manage the patients by herself. On occasion for special circumstances, that's understandable. But as a general "meh, 10 minutes late is just as good," definitely not.

Basically, if tasks are expected to be done specifically at the beginning of your shift, being late is unacceptable.

I have worked jobs that would dock you 15 minutes if you clocked in even 1 minute late, as a result everyone was always 15 minutes late. If you aren't getting paid then you shouldn't be working either. It's stupid policies that lead to this sort of thing, don't blame the employees for the dumb shit admin does.

Okay kids, this is what we call, micro management leading to a hostile work environment.

I don't think I've worked for a company that gave a shit if I was 10 minutes late.

One company had a time clock that only kept time records to one decimal place of an hour. The clock literally couldn't differentiate between someone clocking in 5 minutes early, or 5 minutes late.

Anyone who cares about how trivially late you are, isn't someone worthy of your labor.

Fuck those companies. They should be grateful I even sent my resume to their corrupted pile of shit of a company

Depends on the job