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[–] DioramaOfShit@lemmy.world 114 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] bran_buckler@lemmy.world 63 points 6 days ago (8 children)
[–] InvestBurnout@fedia.io 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What they did to the Lancer is criminal

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[–] DioramaOfShit@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It's true. The Ford mustang suv is an abomination

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 79 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Car manufacturers skirting emissions regulations by selling "work trucks" instead of regular cars.

The increased size of these trucks directly causes more fatalities

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I vaguelly remember reading how SUVs are 70% more deadly in collisions with pedestrians than conventional cars.

(Because their front is flatter and taller, so pedestrians are less likelly to roll over the hood and instead tend to be projected away)

I believe those kinds of cars started taking off back then.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

People buy SUVs because "safer" but they kill more pedestrians - and they're not strictly safer for occupants either. Big SUVs have rollover risk. Crossovers aren't necessarily any safer in a collision because it turns out that what really matters is the "area" of the car (length x width) and since crossovers and SUVs often cost more, you end up getting a smaller vehicle by area for the same amount of money. You literally get less for your money and it's also less fun to drive and probably requires more fuel. I honestly don't see why people without back issues get crossovers over wagons.

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[–] Bad@jlai.lu 59 points 6 days ago (3 children)

"Why is this happening" asks car obsessed, SUV infested country.

Compare with similar data in other countries and you'll see the issue is not smartphones, and likely has more to do with your huge cars.

[–] remon@ani.social 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So what happened to all the huge cars in 2010?

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

we all rode bikes and walked everywhere in 2010 then they released cars 2

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hmm, Cars 2 was released in 2011, the same year it started shooting up. That can't be a coincidence.

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[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

There are probably several factors. I doubt there are as many people using a smartphone while driving in other countries. If someone wants to sit on their phone while commuting elsewhere, they can walk or take the train/bus/subway. In the US, you have to drive no matter what

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Counterpoint, I wonder how much American culture makes people more willing to be in their phone while their vehicle is moving. The toxic work culture, the disregard for others, and so on likely contributes to a higher use of phone at dangerous times. Especially since larger cars are more about lethality.

What other developed countries have a 60+ hour work week in this day and age?

Edit: thought of a few in Asia but they all have public transportation so they can safely have their 1 hour "me time" commute. If Americans wanna play their mobile games to relax they have to do it in a car, oof.

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[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

2007/8 financial crisis had gas spike up to $5-8/gal in some instances. This caused a lot of people to sell their SUVs and get more economical vehicles.

In the mid 2010's, gas prices came down substantially, and everyone bought more SUVs and traded in their economic vehicles.

SUVs kill pedestrians like bug zappers kill mosquitos on a damp, hot night in the swamp.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Drop starts in 1980, which was before SUVs, and after introduction of SUVs and popularity increase, kept dropping. I prefer the phone explanation, but don't know why it started dropping in 1980. Maybe exodus to suburbs, and no pedestrians in suburbs?

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I believe you might be trying to apply logic to the dates assuming there's only one or two variables changing across all those decades. The truth is there are multiple strongly correlated reasons pedestrian deaths declined sharply in the US over the years.

In the 1980's and 90's it was largely the safety standards being improved in vehicles. ABS being standard helped with stopping before hitting people. Road safety standards and road designs improved to allow for more pedestrian walkways away from the streets. Automatic headlights at night turning on, better road conditions, better tires were introduced to handle different weather patterns more easily (e.g. in the rain or snow where traction loss could lead to pedestrian deaths) as well as standards to increase vehicle inspections and what safety standards were being checked during those inspections.

In the 2000's, while many safety standards were still being improved and tweaked, a lot of the impactful ones had already been instituted, so the changes were less and less dramatic over the last 20ish years.

The specific question the OP was asking for was around the 2010 drop, and that is strongly correlated with high gas prices leading to sell-offs of SUVs, and SUVs are the leading cause of pedestrian deaths by far with modern cars with modern safety standards. Largely for the reasons others in this post have mentioned (larger, heavier, hood height, etc.).

I was very much a car nut during those years, and the gas prices drove many, many people to trade in their SUVs, trucks, etc. that had poor gas mileage. Gas prices were nuts, and a huge shock to everyone's budget when it jumped up suddenly. This wasn't really an inflationary thing, this was caused by a multitude of factors, but it stayed high for a long time due to those conditions.

When those conditions reverted, gas prices started falling like a rock, and everyone went back to thinking: "well, maybe I can afford that SUV again". And they did. SUV sales rose sharply once gas prices fell. So pedestrian deaths have gone back up as a result.

Today, it's also multiple factors, with the vehicle type being one of the large ones (hood height has been linked as a giant increase in the liklihood a pedestrian dies in a collision), but the other factor that rose sharply was smartphone use while driving from about the mid 2010's to today. It's probably the leading cause of vehicular deaths in general (I haven't checked, but I'd throw $20 at it being distracted drivers).

[–] Zink@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago

We children of the 80s were out there in them streets, walking and biking to our friends' houses and dodging the cars. Over the years our skills grew, and the numbers were finally on our side. And while it was sad on the rare occasion that we lost a friend to the streets as if they were an Oregon Trail character, it did help the numbers even more!

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

[https://www.statista.com/statistics/199980/us-truck-sales-since-1951/](If anyone is searching for an answer why.) Funny how it is almost the same curve.

[–] Lightfire228@pawb.social 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Correlation is not causation

There could be a 3rd driving force that's causing both trends, among other possible explanations

[–] webpack@ani.social 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think the general consensus is that bigger and more dangerous cars causes more pedestrian deaths.

[–] Lightfire228@pawb.social 3 points 5 days ago

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case

but a correlation (as presented in the first comment) is not a valid explanation (again, as is presented in the comment)

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 3 points 5 days ago

It's good practice πŸ‘πŸΌ but I probably go for the trucks explanation here

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My brother got his drivers license that year.....

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[–] brownsugga@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

Trucks which are the most popular vehicles in the US got taller in the front

that's also about the time "infotainment" systems started becoming common if not mandatory in cars. My 2003 S10 has physical switches for all of its controls, I can set the clock by feel. Newer cars with touch screen interfaces take drivers' eyes off the road more than cars used to.

The size of cars exploded and bigger cars are less safe for pedestrians.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

Smartphones in general happened. Suddenly, everyone could look at porn anywhere, anytime and were distracted.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

And pickups grew about 2 feet taller.

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[–] squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

I just checked the data for Germany and it doesn't reflect the same trend. Could be that Germany is more pedestrian friendly. There is no upwards trend visible from 2007, when smartphones became mainstream. But, you can see a clear drop in pedestrian ~~deaths~~ accidents caused by traffic during the pandemic.

Edit: Little mistake from me, this statistic shows pedestrian accidents, not deaths. Still comparable though.

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 47 points 6 days ago (8 children)
[–] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 40 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Its physically painful to look at.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

i feel the same way every morning when i look in the mirror.

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The more I look at it, the worse it gets

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

When corporate commands all charts must be up and to the right

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[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago

I've not seen people mention what probably is the actual case: the US government failing to handle the big changes in traffic like phone usage, change of vehicles sold, etc..

Different countries handled similar changes appropriately and deaths decreased, while the vehicle centric US did nothing to protect pedestrians/cyclists/...

The government, probably under influence from industry, is 100% to blame.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 14 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Not just smartphones, dashboards with flat touchscreens. Now, you have to look at the dashboard. Prior, you manipulated all the controls by touch.

Honestly though, I don’t understand the smartphone thing. Set your playlist, book, podcast and go. Leave if alone until you park. Why is that hard?

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm with you. Maybe I'm getting old, but I still treat texting/messaging as asynchronous communication. It's not a "live" conversation, and if I'm driving or doing something else in between messages, then it's going to be a bit before I can respond again.

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[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago

LED headlights that blind everybody in front of them

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago (5 children)
  1. People walking into live traffic while texting.

  2. People driving while texting.

  3. Police doing fuck all about it.

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Thanks Obama

[–] Eh_I@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Caylynn got her license.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Lifted trucks were popular as far back as the 80s (remember Back to the Future? And that thing was from the factory...).

This is definitely a smartphone thing, and a little bit a car touchscreen thing.

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