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National Science Foundation (NSF) had offered $1.5 million to address structural vulnerabilities in Python and the Python Package Index (PyPI), but the Foundation quickly became dispirited with the terms of the grant it would have to follow.

"These terms included affirming the statement that we 'do not, and will not during the term of this financial assistance award, operate any programs that advance or promote DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion], or discriminatory equity ideology in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws,'" Crary noted. "This restriction would apply not only to the security work directly funded by the grant, but to any and all activity of the PSF as a whole."

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[–] henfredemars 228 points 1 week ago

I’m deeply proud of Python for standing by its community and making the right decision.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 147 points 1 week ago (4 children)

How is it legal to basically say "We'll give you some money if you promise to keep the blacks out of your organisation"

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You frame it as "don't discriminate based on skin color, as in don't hire a black person because they're black" while not saying any more of the quiet part out loud.

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[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 108 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To make matters worse, the terms included a provision that if the PSF was found to have voilated that anti-DEI diktat, the NSF reserved the right to claw back any previously disbursed funds, Crary explained.

Likely why it was not accepted

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 90 points 1 week ago

Yeah, even if they weren't willing to take a principled stance, that's really dangerous. Especially with how temperamental these fascists are.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 87 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Fucking hell, good for the PSF for maintaining their values. I'll make a donation when I get paid. I'm sure they would appreciate it if any one else can spare a dollar or two.

https://psfmember.org/civicrm/contribute/transact/?reset=1&id=2

Edit: Added donation link

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[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 66 points 1 week ago

Fuck yes, Python.

[–] NinjaTurtle@feddit.online 65 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

"... do not ,and will not ... operate any programs that advance or promote DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion], or discriminatory equity ideology..."

Aren't these contradictory? 🤔

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They're really pulling the childish 'We're just going to make up a fake acronym using DEI' card in an official government communication?

This is a clown show

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[–] recked_wralph@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I bet if they solicit crowd funding to replace this grant they’d easily surpass its dollar value.

~~Is there an existing way to donate to the Python Foundation?~~

Never mind, answered my own question: https://www.python.org/psf/donations/

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Thanks for doing the research for us lazy folks, donation sent!

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[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago

Go team snake 🐍

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Especially in light of how incompetent this administration is, and how bad it is at clearly communicating ideas, they made the only sensible choice. Maybe there's more details in the grant terms itself, but from the article it looks like it just says "don't advance or promote DEI", and without explicitly defining what they mean by that they are setting up a trap.

PyPI is smart not to take the money.

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[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 25 points 1 week ago

Good for them, standing on principle 😁

[–] db2@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trump's bullshit already violated those laws though. Repeatedly.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

It’s a purchase of No DEI, not a donation.

[–] judgyweevil@feddit.it 9 points 1 week ago
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Who is the person downvoting the two comments in here???

[–] NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, votes are public in the fediverse. I wouldn't try to read into the reasoning from a single downvoter too much though.

One downvote could be accidental. 2 downvotes in the same thread makes that seem less likely.

Downvoting/Upvoting doesn't mean the same thing that it does for everyone. Some use it as an agree/disagree. Some use it for whether a comment is productive and adds to the conversation or not. Some use it as a visibility score whether they think a comment should be seen by others first or whether there are other comments that are better. Some may agree with most everything in a comment except for one part and then downvote because of that.

[–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world -4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I thought the point of the system is to mark down out of context comments that doesn't contribute to the post and not a I disagree button or super upvote.

[–] Brahvim@lemmy.kde.social 5 points 1 week ago

Well, this isn't exactly stackoverflow...!
It is rare for things to be out of context...

Really, upvotes and downvotes are more or less... just... whatever made most people satisfied enough with a comment that they wanted to say they dis-/-liked it.

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[–] tfm@piefed.europe.pub 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 3 points 1 week ago

Checks his comment history

Seems like an okay dude. Might even be one of my alts gone rogue. Dunno why the downvote

[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably someone on the White House's payroll who has a micropenis.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] 5too@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This isn't the first time I've seen this meme; but what's it from?

[–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Batman Beyond. Takes place in a cyberpunk futuristic Gotham City, which feels like a natural direction that the crime ridden corrupt old city would transition into a new, technocorporate cyberpunk city full of crime.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The PSF is (presumably) already required to comply with Federal anti-discrimination laws. Am I misreading the text or does it not actually create any new obligations for the PSF if they were to accept the grant?

[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago

They would be required to comply with the current administration's extremely biased and borderline illiterate interpretation of those laws.

[–] tja@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago

You are misreading. These new obligations would require the PSF to violate those laws

[–] cardfire@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It normalizes the anti-equity principles of the granting party, which now occupies the US govt.

The benefactor had already shown exactly how they treat people that aren't white Christian men, and it's up to schools, businesses and organizations like the Foundation to show resistance and inclusivity.

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