NSF: "We'll give you money as long as you don't hire minorities".
Python: "Get fucked."
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this post was submitted on 28 Oct 2025
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Besides the anti-woke bullshit, it's just a bad idea to accept. It is absolutely not normal for a grant to have stipulations that if you violate some vaguely defined criteria somewhere in your organization, it can be clawed back at a later time. That's a huge liability for an organization to take on that they may suddenly owe a million dollars some time in the future.
I mean basically yeah, "DEI" and "Woke" are right wing buzzwords that basically can mean whatever, and the Trump admin et al know this. They could say "letting x people use this is woke" or "hiring y people is DEI". The Anti-DEI movement is just an excuse for actual discrimination because now we have people being fired not because they are unfit for their job, but because they're from a minority who was deemed more qualified than someone who was White, Male and Cishet.
I mean Hegseth fired the Chief of Naval Operations because she was a woman. Straight up.
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Congratulations for having a real spine and showing the world that money isn't everything
Thank you python team
Jesus the current US administration are cartoonishly evil. History is not going to be kind to the United States. In 30 Years there is going to be a museum with a little plaque on the wall and it'll say "did you know the United States used to be a relevant world power?".
I should use python more. I like when people have principles.
There's an often repeated theme in philosophy that any gift that comes with conditions is actually just business.
I would use the term extortion, but yup.
Oh for sure, Trumps business style is about extortion rather than collaboration. He has to win and they have to lose.
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"getting bought" is more fitting imo.
And a nice little view behind the curtains how the fascists operate.
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The Seattle zoo also rejected federal funding with these strings. My wife lost her job because of it. Because it was just for one program and the no-DEI was organization wide…
Apparently the Portland Zoo signed it… No one expected that shit. We both let her parents know that this is because of their vote in another state.
How is it legal to basically say "We'll give you some money if you promise to keep the blacks out of your organisation"
You frame it as "don't discriminate based on skin color, as in don't hire a black person because they're black" while not saying any more of the quiet part out loud.
In a perfect world where nobody doing the hiring was ever even a little subconsciously racist, that would be perfectly reasonable, yeah.
Though that said we end up with a lot of nuance in the real world. Let's say there's a traditionally marginalised, opposed racial group. Let's say times have changed somewhat and people suddenly accept them.
Well, the generational and cultural weight is still going to have a lasting effect even if times have changed, and it may be more difficult for people from that group to afford a good education, good job, good home, etc.
The point being that even if we all stopped being racist today and hired purely based on how good an employee someone will be, we're likely still unknowingly skewing our decisions based on past social racial issues.
I'm probably not putting it very well but hopefully you get the idea! It's probably pretty common knowledge anyway I guess haha, seems pretty obvious to me and I don't even think about this stuff much :-)
Anyway, point is, we do still need to work as a society on ensuring diversity and fairness even when we're not racist at all - I think the saying might be "Equity over Equality", or such?
Obviously the USA Government are fascists, so they're more interested in wiping out groups they don't like, but they're just another in a long line of evil governments that will eventually fall, no point thinking too deeply about why they're being evil. They'll eventually die off as all fascist regimes do. Hopefully we won't have to fight a World War against them this time.
For context, I am an old white man engineer. I've worked in large and small companies over my career. Almost without fail, even with DEI policies in place, a non-white person or woman still had to be 10x more qualified than their white male counterparts to be hired. Once in the organization, they were generally put into some dead end role while far less qualified white men were advanced to higher positions. When I worked in the bible belt southeastern USA, you had the added factor of protestant christians ruling the roost too.
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Because Congress and the Supreme Court have been captured entirely by fascists.
Because conservatives convinced people that DEI was literally about filling a quotas at the cost of competency, because "controlling the narrative".
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In 2 days the White House will order every companie to stop using python because of woke or something
Imagining all the llm dorks suddenly trying to learn typescript over the weekend
Or trying to control their mice population. Wait what?
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Fucking hell, good for the PSF for maintaining their values. I'll make a donation when I get paid. I'm sure they would appreciate it if any one else can spare a dollar or two.
https://psfmember.org/civicrm/contribute/transact/?reset=1&id=2
Edit: Added donation link
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Good for them. It is good to see people do something right for once.
After growing up watching things like Bill Nye, seeing names like the NSF saying shit like this is like an actual fucking nightmare reality. It's just so incredibly wrong.
The python foundation should have asked them to define the terms of the contract in a document. At least that way we would have had a legal definition of what woke means in their eyes. Because I'm reasonably confident that even they don't know.
That's right. Fuck anti-DEI. DEI is the future and good.
Uncritical application of DEI methods without due consideration for the objectives isn't reasonable.
But signing a contract that says "if you do anything we can construe as DEI we can demand payback of all the support you falsely relied on" is like stepping on a landmine and hoping the fuse stops working before you have to step off.
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"... do not ,and will not ... operate any programs that advance or promote DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion], or discriminatory equity ideology..."
Aren't these contradictory? 🤔
They're really pulling the childish 'We're just going to make up a fake acronym using DEI' card in an official government communication?
This is a clown show
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Go team snake 🐍
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