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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is 0850. I start at 0900. I am still in bed.

Working from home is great.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Its amazing but only because the alternative is so horrible, we really, really appreciate working from home.

I think its also having a strong effect om how we are as people. Office culture changes people, into scared little humans who self censor themselves to fit in, and use language they think makes them sound professional.

Its a waste of life. We are originals. We are unique personalities. Not clones, not resources to exploit.

If humanity survives capitalism, and its a big if, we will look back at this and wonder what we were thinking.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Facts don't matter anymore, get your ass to the office!

Mostly US companies

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Did the web site swap in a completely unrelated story about how swimming is good exercise for people over 55?

[–] kat_angstrom@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

LOLWTF it also swapped it for me

[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Aaaaand See how people will deny scientific research for the sake of Control.

I'm fed Up on how much a workplace wants to Control anyones Life. And all the rights that have ever been fought for under a broad Attack every single day. And it kinda feels like we're losing the battle.

Unionize!

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Which is why the ruling class has decided we can't have it...

[–] don@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago

Like they GAF. They've got the money & politicians in their pockets, so inconvenient truths are easily trodden over.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Me with ADHD who can't do shit from home, hiding in the back corner of the open space.

[–] Bo7a@piefed.ca 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Isn't diversity neat? My ADHD pulls a gun on me if I get within 30 meters of an office.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Work mode activated ?

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This has been correct for all of human history. I’m not sure why anyone would have assumed the invention of the cubicle would have changed this.

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[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It largely depends on if you can afford to have a room dedicated as your home office.

Working/relaxing cannot happen in the same space. Our brains are not wired to do such a dramatic difference in mental activity in the same location. That's also why bedrooms should be used for sleeping and fucking ONLY. Once you start reading/scrolling in bed, your brain makes that connection, "Oh, I'm in bed, I should doomscroll for the next 3 hours" instead of "Oh, I'm in bed. I should sleep."

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

As someone who currently sleeps, works, and relaxes in the same room these absolutes you're throwing out come off as hilarious. I've literally always lived in a room with both my bed and my computer, always worked and gamed from my computer, always slept within a couple of meters of my desk chair and computer.

You absolutely can work, relax, and sleep in the same space.

Does that mean I prefer that? Could I gain some meaningful benefits from having more spaces to dedicate to certain tasks? Absolutely. And the moment we tax the ultra-wealthy out of existence and therefore make housing affordable again, I'll make those rooms.

But working from home is not reliant on a square ft/m metric that the home must pass, nor how those spaces are organized or themed. I think saying it does only hurts my ability to stay at home, which is better for the environment, the economy, my productivity, and most importantly my life and mental health.

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[–] sibannac@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is this linked wrong? The article is about swimming for health not WFH.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

oddly, the link goes to the right article, then the site redirects to the swimming article,

here it is on another site

https://evidencenetwork.ca/remote-work-increases-happiness-4-year-study-findings/

edit: it's someone elses take, looking for original

edit2: OK, the original article is from 2020, there are updartes in 2024.

This page does a better job covering the the couple of gallup polls and some of the criteria listed

https://www.greatplacetowork.com/resources/blog/remote-work-productivity-study-finds-surprising-reality-2-year-study

though the site is sus to me :)

[–] AngularViscosity@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But then how will they make money renting out the office space?

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[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

AI article and website

[–] MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Every time this comes up i tell my personal and data driven experience as a middle manager in a company, and every time people trash me, but i keep saying it.

IT FUCKING DEPENDS!

From purely data point of view (note: this is from my place of work) workers whose work is purely executing more or less the same duties every day had their productivity have a nose dive when working long stretches from home. Also their works quality got worse. Its easy to reinforce bad habits whitout even noticing it, if the feedback comes from email and and not straight from the supervisor.

BUT with jobs like coders or artists where the job is more open ended instead of monotous labor there was no ill effects.

Then on the other side communication has gotten much slower with the people working from outside office. Where i used to just walk to the other room and ask something from my collegue i now need to message them in our internal and hope they notice it. Getting answers for questions have turned from 5 minute thing to 10-40 minute things.

Also from the point of more inventive things on my work we have lost a lot of changes to brainstorm ideas. No more throwing ideas around during lunch or coffee breaks

[–] tankplanker@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I have WfH for about twenty five years now and I will say the same thing I always say when this type of comment pops up, if people do not want to talk to you for some reason they will not respond as its a lot easier to hide on email/IM than an office situation. If you finding that people are hiding from you, then that's as much a you problem as anything else for not directly addressing it.

I actually find it considerably easier to get hold of someone via IM than any other method short of direct dialing them as I can reach them in meetings or away from their desk or even in another country entirely, its only if they are intentionally ignoring you it does not work. If the person is presenting in a meeting or otherwise legitimately incommunicado then they aren't going to respond F2F or IM anyway.

Not measuring output volume or quality consistently is a widespread problem for businesses, regardless of location of the employee. Consistent and accurate measurement is the only way to be sure you are getting the results you are expecting, for coding that means code reviews not commit counts, 360 feedback, and so on. If you are feeding back, and someones ignoring that, guess what, its also a you problem for not building in consequences and follow ups. It also applies just as much in an office situation as it does remote.

[–] bystander@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The article does have this caveat.

"Context still matters. Job type, home setting, and leadership quality vary. Yet the direction remains positive. Even with modest differences by role, the health and satisfaction curves point upward. Inside those curves, remote work behaves as a flexible option that organizations can calibrate rather than a rigid rule."

Though I will say your argument is still centered around being productive and effective for the company (make money for the company), the article specifically centers around an individual's well-being (sleep, family life etc.). So not the same metrics.

Other articles and research I've seen that did center on productivity did conclude that yes, it depends.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

How about the workers' wellbeing? Is that ever considered?

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Out of curiosity, can you describe, with a bit more detail, the kind of work that was repetitive and became worse?

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[–] loonsun@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

In the field of organizational psychology (which research like this is typically done by), the phrase "it depends" is used so often among scientists that it's a running gag at this point

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[–] bobaworld@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I liked working from home at first, but after so long it becomes harder and harder to leave your work at "work" when your workplace is also your home. Now I am back in the office and actually prefer it that way. I have the flexibility to work from home on weekends or when I need to be home for some reason, which is good enough for me.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you're working at home on weekends, it doesn't sound like you're leaving work at work.

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[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How about those of us who can’t due to the nature of our jobs?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago

You... uh... exist I guess? I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, if you get to work out there in nature then you're already winning! 🤪

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

than local govts wont get any revenue from commuting and businesses, and ceos wont be able to be control freaks and lord of thier subjects.

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