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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

A judge has given George RR Martin the green light to sue OpenAI for copyright infringement.

We are now one step closer to the courts declaring open season on the slop-bots. Unsurprisingly, there's jubilation on Bluesky.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Grokipedia just dropped: https://grokipedia.com/

It's a bunch of LLM slop that someone encouraged to be right wing with varying degrees of success. I won't copy paste any slop here, but to give you an idea:

  • Grokipedia's article on Wikipedia uses the word "ideological" or "ideologically" 23 times (compared with Wikipedia using it twice in it's Wikipedia article).
  • Any articles about transgender topics tend to mix in lots of anti-transgender misinformation / slant, and use phrases like "rapid-onset gender dysphoria" or "biological males". The last paragraph of the article "The Wachowskis" is downright unhinged.
  • The articles tend to be long and meandering. I doubt even Grokipedia proponents will ultimately get much enjoyment out of it.

Also certain articles have this at the bottom:

The content is adapted from Wikipedia, licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Decided to check the Grokipedia "article" on the Muskrat out of morbid curiosity.

I haven't seen anything this fawning since that one YouTube video which called him, and I quote its title directly, "The guy who is saving the world".

[–] nfultz@awful.systems 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Interesting that for the musk article, it has the "see edits" button disabled. ha

E:

I peeked under the hood, "see edits" data is in page.fixedIssues on the api, ripe for scraping: https://grokipedia.com/api/page?slug=StarCraft_II&includeContent=false

[–] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

back in ~my~ day cartel oligarchs would meet in secret to fix prices for products you cannot live without, then get a ton of profit and swim in money, while backstabbing one another at any opening with blackmail and assassins and whatnot. sometimes they'd fund a library or something to pretend they were philanthropists.

cartels these days make pretend products that nobody wants, then promise they're going to "invest" one quadrillion dollars on the other oligarch's company to create more virtual husbandos, and the other company in turn promises they're going to buy one quadrilllion dollars of "compute" from the first company, so that both can report one quadrillion dollars of "growth" for doing absolutely nothing. like who are they even trying to impress here. then the oligarch hires people to pretend he can play Diablo. what happened to honest, salt-of-the-earth exploitation of the masses, huh. the boot stomping on my face is all cheap plastic nowadays. they gotta replace it every 3 years and the new model doesn't even fit my face anymore. they don't make cartels like they used to

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How it feels to touch computers for a living in 2025:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6TMOMTtAMBI

[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 1 points 4 days ago

SAMHAIN FOREVER

[–] rook@awful.systems 13 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I might be behind the curve on this one, but ice are now using halo (the computer game) images in recruitment ads, and referring to immigrants (and people who look like immigrants, i guess) as “the flood”, the all-consuming alien horde who are one of the antagonists of the series.

Given how microsoft are happy to contribute to the development of the epstein ballroom, I can only assume that they’re cool with all this.

https://aftermath.site/microsoft-halo-dhs-ice-trump-flood

A screenshot of a twitter post by the department of homeland security, showing an image from the halo video game series and the text “finishing this fight”, “destroy the flood” and a link to “join ice gov”.

alt textA screenshot of a twitter post by the department of homeland security, showing an image from the halo video game series and the text “finishing this fight”, “destroy the flood” and a link to “join ice gov”.

[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Unfortunately, the music director Marty O Donnell (iirc?) for og halo games is a bug trumper and ran for office. And he made absolute banger sound tracks too!

https://www.gamefile.news/p/halo-ice-developers-react

Dev team leads at least denouncing it as the disgusting shit it is.

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[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Master Chief, you mind telling me what you are doing on that ICE propaganda?

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Performing the SPARTAN Program's original aim, sir.

[–] Reach_the_man@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

hmmm, gotta name my future scifi franchise's augmented monastic space marin-time infantry supersoldiers THEBANs ~~(yes homo)~~

[–] Reach_the_man@awful.systems 6 points 6 days ago

bet they wouldn't take kindly to Wolfenstein spamming in return

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 6 days ago

Yeah silence is being complicit in this case.

Trump also posted an image of him in the masterchief suit. Without a helmet. Halo is not my thing but I think that is a thing which is not done, like with judge dredd, the helmet stays on.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

NB: a few cocktails in. Don't really have a point here. Everything sucks, including this.

Halo: CE was written in the late 90s in the US, so it's pretty clear that it exists as a metaphor for conflict in the Middle East. It's initially humans (really space 'muricans) vs. the covenant (an ancient, religious empire with many references to abrahamic religion). The MC is a genetically modified supersoldier. Most shooters are fascistic military propaganda, intentional or no.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago

Bungie made Marathon before Halo and it's basically the same plot - supersoldier aided/hindered by AI/s fights an alien force consisting of many "integrated" species. It's a cheap way of making different enemies that are all antagonists.

OFC why the colony ship Marathon needed a supersoilder on tap is never explained. After a while our protag gets involved in a rebellion against the Pfor's leaders and then we get Infinity which is just weird. Oh and there's an eldrich horror living in a star too.

[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hey now, it’s also a clearly copy and pasted plagiarism of James Cameron’s Aliens!

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[–] rook@awful.systems 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And on the subject of microsoft, this is a splendid way to describe the both that specific company, the us tech sector as a whole and entire us government for that matter:

“We will build the tools of genocide, but never a sex bot” is such a condemnation of American society lolsob

https://xoxo.zone/@Ashedryden/115452105359019979

It was posted in reference to this article on the MIT technology review site, which gets an archive link because it has two overlapping cookie opt-out popups: https://archive.is/KhMqT

It is an interview with microsoft’s mustafa suleyman, their head of ai. For all he claims to think that chatbots pretending to be people is bad, I don’t see him actually doing a whole lot about it.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

two overlapping cookie opt-out popups:

Love when this happens and on your phone you cant even reach the buttons. The lost art of testing your websites.

[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago

The lost art of testing your websites.

i run with javascript disabled by default, and it's actually refreshing when a website at least displays "this shit requires javascript lol" instead of just not working

the modern web sucks, let's all train ravens like asoiaf

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

but never a sex bot

Not speaking for myself (because we were a gamecube household) but based on my internet travels, Cortana (from Halo, also in subject) was a sexual awakening for a lot of people. So maybe when he says "we" he only means the present cohort of microsofties.

[–] rook@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago

Yeah, skintight palmtop hologram cortana certainly ticked some boxes there, but in-universe it was all a bit “everyone is beautiful, no-one is horny”, with a side order of “all assistants should be female and sexy”, to my mind at least.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 10 points 6 days ago (7 children)

long hand of casey newton (by proxy) outputs a weird hit piece on ed zitron in wired https://archive.is/chsCw so far bluesky in shambles with no other effects

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 11 points 6 days ago

Baldur Bjarnason's (indirectly) given his thoughts on the piece, treating its existence (and the subsequent fallout) as a cautionary tale on why journalistic practices exist and how conflicts of interest can come back to haunt you.

(In particular, Baldur notes that Zitron could've nipped this problem in the bud by firing his AI-related clients after he became the premier AI critic.)

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (8 children)

i have mixed feelings here. on the one hand, a lot of the article hinges on the suggestion that zitron is somehow concealing that he works with AI companies. i've listened to his podcast, i've read his articles, he is pretty up front about what his day job is and that he is a disappointed fanboy for tech. the dots are 1/1000th of an inch apart. it also devotes a remarkable amount of time to remarks from casey newton and the like, who have nothing to offer the world.

on the other hand, i do find it genuinely repulsive that he'll work with a company like DoNotPay. while it might be hackwork to suggest he's concealing it, I don't like the association whether he's open about it or not.

on the... third hand? when i've read his posts, i've found myself totally unable to evaluate his financial claims. the evidence always seems unimpeachable, i just do not know whether the conclusions he draws from that evidence make sense, so i never cite him. i think a more honest and interesting version of this article, one that went further than trying to insinuate he's an ignorant fraud, would involve collaborating with someone with a lot of financial expertise and examining how rigorous his work actually is. but wired apparently wasn't interested in trying to make that article happen

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 4 points 4 days ago

i’ve listened to his podcast, i’ve read his articles, he is pretty up front about what his day job is and that he is a disappointed fanboy for tech. the dots are 1/1000th of an inch apart.

For comparison I've only read Ed's articles, not listened to his podcasts, and I was unaware of his PR business. This doesn't make me think his criticisms are wrong, but it does make me concerned he's overlooked critiquing and analyzing some aspects of the GenAI industry because of these connections to those aspects.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

looks pretty good to me, I'd be delighted to produce this sort of work and he's doing loadbearing work on the numbers here - that the finance press is faintly catching up to a year later.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 5 points 4 days ago

Its too bad that Patrick McKenzie sided with the promptfondlers because he was a useful ally calling "we need more reporting on cryptocurrency by journalists who can read a balance sheet and do arithmetic"

[–] jonhendry@iosdev.space 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

@sc_griffith

He, or someone, should work with Bethany McLean on checking Zitron's work. She cowrote The Smartest Guys In The Room about Enron in 2003 and a book about the 2008 financial crisis. In 2001 she wrote about thinking something was hinky about Enron's financial filings.

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 6 days ago

Ah that explains why people were talking about Ed critics. When it reached my feed it had already devolved into other convos about Zitron haters.

(And yes he isnt flawless, but that just means we need more people in the anti AI space).

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 11 points 6 days ago

Zitron was a blogger now, doing enjoyable bloggy things like hanging rude epithets on CEOs and antagonizing the normie tech media. Kevin Roose and Casey Newton, the hosts of the New York Times’ relatively bullish Hard Fork podcast, quickly became prime targets. They’re too friendly with their subjects, says Zitron, who called Hard Fork a case study in journalists using “their power irresponsibly.” He recalls having pitched Newton once in his capacity as a flack, but nothing came of it. Newton, for his part, remembers meeting Zitron somewhere, maybe a decade ago, and Zitron saying something like, “I would really like to be friends.” Nothing came of that, either.

I will choose to read this as: newton mad that they arent pals with zitron

TBH I am neutral on zitron. I don’t read his stuff on the reg, just when it pops up here and I feel like it. We all belong to the same hypocrisy. If he’s pushed AI companies before through his PR firm, that sucks.

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[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If these plugs are too much, please let me know: the second episode of our podcast on historical bigoted/misogynist texts is out now. "Woman, thy name is russia."

https://bsky.app/profile/odiumsymposium.bsky.social/post/3m4cjzttdek2f

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