They hated him because he said the truth (and didn't hand over his platform to someone "more marginalized" after one single drama).
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As someone raised as a white Christian male: no, I have never felt like people were calling me evil, shunning me, or pushing me away because I am white, Christian, or male. That is such a bullshit take and people need to not tolerate that persecution complex nonsense.
Assholes get called assholes for being assholes, and instead of any sort of introspection they blame it on them being "white" or "male," because to them being a white male means they get to be an asshole and everyone else just has to accept it.
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So this is clearly personal to many people in this thread but I'm just going to point out objectively and non judgementally that Vaush and other participants misrepresent the argumemt made by the original poster.
The original poster specifically refers to men. Vaush's response either intentionally or unintentionally responds to to an argument not made by the original poster by referring to 12 year old boys.
This is actually fairly low level discourse because the entire reply chain is responding to a strawman. If anyone has any further insight I'd be happy to hear it. I think we need to elevate our reading comprehension if we're going to have meaningful conversations about this.
An adult man doesn't just join the Andrew Tate crowd. The foundations for agreeing with his misogyny were laid while he was a teenager (or even younger). The people who are alienated by this sort of rhetoric aren't adults, they're teenagers who haven't formed a political identity yet, who can yet be turned away from that self-destructive ideology and it is them who are turned away by such rhetoric.
The term "man" may by all of us be seen only to refer to males over the age of 18, but a teenage boy will already identify with it, will thinks of himself as cool, independent, grown-up. He will see an attack on "men" as an attack on himself.
While the targeted group may have been adult men, the actual targets will have been the twelve y/o Vaush spoke off and they will be driven further away from the principles of democracy and equality and into the hands of waiting fascists.
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This isn't supposed to be a defence of Vaush btw, I don't really like him myself.
Young boys see comments directed at men as being directed at themselves as well. The foundations of the things that make a man buy into this shit are laid when he's young. I think it's quite valid to bring this up.
Yeah, the next step in the conversation is acknowledging that the same applies to a LOT of adult men. Not the majority, by far. But certainly enough to make a significant difference.
A lotta guys out there are participating in the patriarchy simply because it's how they were raised, or because they were in a bad spot and the right made a better pitch to them when they asked for help. Or the only pitch. They haven't thought it all the way through yet, and are just working with the information they have.
Every day at every age, there are some men out there collapsing the cognitive dissonance between patriarchy and basic human decency. Men who could be good people if they discard the right belief when the two finally become irreconcilable. When talking about effective outreach, these guys are important to reach. I'd say not as urgent as reaching out to the malleable kids before Dennis Prager sticks his oily little fingers in their brains or something of the like. But still a very worthwhile demographic to reach out to.
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I feel like "the right is willing to use manipulation, misinformation, and coercion on children while the left isn't" is not quite the argument these users think it is. Certainly we shouldn't be demonizing young white boys but tbh I've seen very little if any of that behavior. If a person gets censored and banned from communities because they shared the funny nazi emoji then that should be a learning moment for them, I don't think it should be in the hands of the minorities, which those children are actively harassing on public platforms, to be the Daryl Davis in their lives.
Okay sure but Vaush is an asshole. He says the r slur in almost every stream and the only one i watched [live] he went on for like 5 minutes about how he doesnt like to be in poor neighborhoods because "the layabouts make me uncomfortable and sad"
Lying about Vaush is a very respectable tradition on the internet, and you're doing it a good service.
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I like anarchy because I can trace a short line to a systemic failure in any instance
Left is so othering. They want to qualify and categorise everything and everyone they meet. Stick name and stat tags on everyone so they can easily see where they belong on a purity hierarchy (which they are obviously queen of)
Source: cishet intj whtmle veg/choice/vax millennial leftist.
When I was doing the whole poly thing I was hanging out with a lot of self identified queer / kinky people. Among other things.
The first thing they'd always ask me is how I identified. And I'd always respond: I don't.
First of all it's no one's business who I choose to fuck unless I want to fuck them, and I always found it exceedingly cringy that people would make this their whole personality.
Secondly this shit just others people.all the labels just creates these homogenous bubbles of people that all just engage in masturbatory groupthink, and so many of them have almost no dealings at all with anyone who doesn't share their labels.
Fuck me , fuck women, be a man, be a woman, do whatever the fuck you want as long as it's consensual. But DO it, BE it. Accepting people who are in anyway not the norm should also mean accepting people who ARE, and you're not being inclusive if you don't include anyone who isn't like you.
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Be nice and encouraging when talking about people. Saying mean-sounding things puts people off. Yes, even when it's really important people get the severity of something. Talk about the people who are suffering and the people who are actively doing it. Encourage people to think about how they might end up doing terrible things and how to prevent that. I know it feels so fucking wrong to be a politician about your most basic values, but there's a reason politicians are the way they are: they get shit done that way.
we need to talk to each other like we're babies. and babies are the smartest people of all, deserving the utmost respect and kindness.
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