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[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 113 points 1 week ago (6 children)

JFC don't. We don't even want to hear you. I would rather have AOC as a choice over you.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

AOC would be a stellar choice IMO, but 90% of the 1% would probably be against her, and that's about half of all the money in USA.
Social democracies in Scandinavia work DESPITE being undermined by the rich, so the political shrewdness and tenacity that would be required of her is insane. She would need a lot of backup from the population, and the population will need patience.

Because rebuilding the institutions in USA to their former standard is already a lot of work, but rebuilding them to the standard of a proper social democracy is something USA has never seen before, and will be very difficult.
For starters it requires USA to become an actual democracy instead of the dysfunctional democracy that USA many Americans praise as divine and sent from heaven. A multi party system is a must for true democracy, and until USA has at least 8 parties represented in congress, it is not really a functioning democracy at all.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hey, keep away from AOC, we need her to take over Chuck's Senate seat. The rest of you can have her after a term or three, she'll still be plenty young enough to run, and maybe by then the country will be ready to vote for a woman for President....

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[–] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I say this as someone who loves AOC and what she does.....

If AOC runs, she will lose.

That's just the state of the nation right now. The only thing America hates more than women is a progressive. The culture of the country right now is way too volatile. The country just isn't ready for a female president. Not because a woman can't do it... but because the country is way too far gone with sexism and misogyny.

It was a long shot when Hillary ran, it was long shot when Kamala ran. If you think it's not a long shot now after the MAGA crowd has been systematically destroying everything..... and you want to run a Berniecrat woman? At this time? In this country?

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[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 76 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If the Democrats run the same platform/campaign as they did before she'll lose again.

Democrats REALLY need to get it through their thick skulls that the days of campaigning on working alongside people across the aisle are over. that the days of uniting a country are over. Remember, the other side has already KILLED democratic politicians. they even KILL people on their own side they don't agree with.

they need to take the position that while a certain group of people will never support them, they'll still work for them but not with them.

[–] AreaKode@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

It's almost like they're losing on purpose...

The off-the-books cash must flow.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

the establishment dem platform makes 100% perfect sense when viewed through the lens of them being controlled opposition.

that won't change unless progressives can get enough seats to control the party's purse strings

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 66 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As someone who voted for her, she can fuck off.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Yes we don't need to know this, she flopped so hard against a convicted felon.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

She won't get the nomination. At most just maybe make some noise during the convention. Pretty sure the DNC has already decided to force Newsome though.

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I completely wish she won last election... but there's no way we're taking a risk on her again.

I'm not a huge fan of Newsom, but at least he's been loudly attacking this current administration. Maybe she has too, but I don't hear from her in my news cycles.

Unless some progressive comes out and surprises everyone, Newsom will likely be my choice.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Newsom is an opportunistic snake and will say whatever he needs to to get elected and then do absolutely whatever he wants and none of it will help you. He is not better than Trump, he IS Trump, for a different audience with different motivations.

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (15 children)

I think Newsom is like a Republican from the 70s, but comparing him to Trump like that is insane. We need to get out of this mess and a moderate is FAR better than anything the Republicans can push out.

I'll likely vote for the progressive in the primaries, but if Newsom is the candidate it's better than the alternatives.

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[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You mean the transphobe who destroys homeless people's meager possessions and platforms Nazis? Gross.

We don't need to settle for that sleazeoid. We can do way better.

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[–] butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social 34 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Holy fuck, listen I plugged my nose and voted for her last time just like I did with Hillary and Biden, but I am absolutely not voting for Harris a second time. If that happens, the only "enabler" is the Democratic establishment and I don't want to fucking hear "vote blue no matter who" after all this Mamdani shit. Stupid god damn fucking liberals, Jesus Christ.

/ rant

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

i voted for Waltz on the hope that maybe Harris would have some unfortunate accident early on and maybe we'd get an actual pro-labour president for once.

now...I just hope Mamdani sweeps NYC's mayor race and maybe that wakes up progressives across the country, showing just how pathetically weak the establishment's control is right now across the board if they can't even keep a key NYC post.

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[–] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago

Please no. Someone else.

[–] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

who is in her circle telling her that this is a good idea? Does she not have any close friends who can speak plainly to her?

You would think having lost to an actual piece of shit would be enough of a reality check. Just stop... ffs. The best thing Kamala can do is fade into obscurity like Al Gore.

[–] comador@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Let's not and just say she did. Time to move on.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Kamala, with all due respect, please get mental health treatment for your apparent psychopathy.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Please fuck off. Let Tim Walz run

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Fuck it, let her. She had to drop out of the 2020 primary before voting started because she was on track to lose every single state, and she clearly hasn't become more electable since then. All she could possibly do is siphon some votes and donor money off Newsom or Buttigieg. If that's what she wants to do, I fully support that.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

You inspired people not to vote. Go away.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I will not vote again for Kamala Harris, nor for any other ordinary, boring, middle-of-the-road Democrat. "Vote blue no matter who" brought us to this point, where Democrats are so spineless and compromised, only a handful of elected Dems are willing to oppose fascism. Never again, for me. Give me a candidate worth voting for — that's the only way to get my vote.

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Let's remove the dictator first, then we can work on the Party. Harris is a bad choice either way.

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[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 20 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Ensure we have no chance of winning.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

This is coming from a Californian: I am skeptical, purely in terms of political advantage, that it is a good idea for the Democrats to run a California politician for the presidential slot in 2028 unless they are absolutely extraordinary. Two major potential Democratic 2028 nominees, Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris, are both out of California.

California is going to vote for the Democratic candidate regardless of who it is. If the Democrats nominate a dead orangutan, California will vote for it. It's like the Republicans nominating the governor of Utah. (Actually, my understanding is that the current governor of Utah is kind of a decent guy, has been one of the people tamping down on divisiveness, but still, Republicans just aren't getting a geographic benefit out of nominating him).

I'd be more inclined to think that someone like Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, would do well in the general election. She's managed to win over voters in the Midwest, which have been swing states in recent elections, which is what the Democrats might actually not win in 2028. Biden was out of Pennsylvania.

IIRC from past reading, predictions are that 2028 will see some states further in the southeast might becoming swing states; it's not as if the set of swing states are fixed. But I am confident that California will not be among the 2028 swing states short of a cataclysmic political upheaval in the next three years.

All that, of course, is entirely disregarding their policies.

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[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago

I swear a few weeks ago she was leaving politics

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago
[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You guys don’t understand, she lost because people forgot how bad trump was, this time people will fall in line

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

I hope she does just as well in her next primary, as she has in every other primary she's had to compete in

[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (16 children)

I love how everybody is assuming that there will be a “next election”. I’m not sure that’s guaranteed. Except, maybe, in the way that Russia still has elections.

I mean, I know you can be too alarmist about things, but there’s a very clear and obvious direction of travel in the US right now.

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[–] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Absolutely not, we really need a fresh pool of candidates, the Democratic elites need to be fired, all of them.

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[–] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I will splinter the two party system into a thousand little pieces. Mark my words.

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[–] _lilith@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

fucking delusional

[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

She gone lose again. When she ran the first time she lost before primaries and when she was forced upon us last year she lost then too.

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[–] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago

Honestly? Fuck it. Corporate Dems are pushing Newsom hard; I'd love to see Kamala wrestle with being abandoned by everyone she gave up any morals for.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm fine with that, as long as there's an actually democratic primary process.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Her pivot away from a winning campaign and buy in on immigration lies by major media companies shows that she's an idiot. Sorry but I would take Hillary Clinton 2.0 before this dumbass. A lack of humanity on gaza is also a clear moral failure.

I think anyone without a policy proposal to end gerrymandering and make housing affordable has too little vision to take on the current moment. Anyone unwilling to sanction Israel is a moral failure.

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[–] HarneyToker@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago
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