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[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Any speed above the speed limit is speeding. And any speed below the speed limit is impeding the flow of traffic.

Vehicles would never be able to get up to speed.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 22 points 2 years ago

Since the speedlimit is exact and vehicle speed is not, everyone constantly gets fined for being too fast or too slow.

[–] taaz@biglemmowski.win 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

This reminded me of Terry Pratchett's Discworld. So many characters are like this.

[–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Indeed.

"With a good fake nose, no one remembered anything but the nose, afterwards."

[–] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or, for that matter, The Patrition. Best portrayal of intelligent lawful neutral ever.

[–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

"One man. One vote."

[–] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

See this is the problem with Lemmy. I want to tag this or even crosspost this to a Pratchett place ("unexpectedpratchett" or similar) but a) I haven't found a populated one, and b) I can't just type in its name if I have one or guess its name like you can in other media, and c) even if I did, the link won't work for everyone, and those it will work for are often (like me) sent out-of-app to a browser if they successfully click on the damn thing. Frustration.

[–] taaz@biglemmowski.win 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

a) should resolve itself overtime with both features and people
b) is something devs should be working on, or at least I heard that they are working on better cross-instance community search
c) this is currently my gripe too, on Android jerboa does offer opening any https:// links in the app but it rarely works or you have to do it twice for whatever reason.

Though I get the frustration.

[–] hansl@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The “critical mass” argument only makes sense if there’s a critical mass in the future. There might never be one. People might give up threaded-discussion platforms before this ever makes it.

I vote we go back to phpBB.

[–] shrippen@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nah, let's go back to newsgroups

[–] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

newsgroups are still around. we just don't use then for discussion much anymore.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 1 points 2 years ago

You can very easily write cross instance links if you weren't aware, e.g. !memes@lemmy.world -- this works on desktop (opens the community on your instance instead of the instance the community is on, so you stay logged in) and on every mobile client I've seen

[–] FuzzyLeonardo@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

Sam Vimes was the first thing I thought of when I read this post.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago

There's a reason chaotic lawful exists in fiction, but rarely in real life. It's because I'm fiction we're aware of the unspoken rules the character adheres to. In real life we can't see those and therefore the character appears chaotic to any observer.

I think quite a lot of neurotypical people who appear chaotic to many people have a very clear ruleset. Take Sheldon from the big bang theory, many of the jokes are around people unknowingly trespassing on his unspoken ruleset.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Good Evil - Villain who ends up doing good whilst trying to do evil.

Evil Good - Hero who ends up fucking shit up so poorly, people think he's evil.

Neutral-Neutral - Not to be confused with True Neutral, these characters are just extremely indecisive.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Neutral neutral Chidi wants a word with you

[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 6 points 2 years ago

Well, he might. He's not sure yet.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Evil good: Thomas Midgely. He invented leaded gasoline and chlorofluorocarbons. Defined as the person with most environmental impact in history.

Gave himself lead poisoning and later in life killed himself with a contraption of his own invention that was intended to help him with his polio paralysis.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.

[–] jBlight@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I feel like Dr. Doofenshmirtz can fall under both categories haha

[–] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

Exactly who I thought of too haha

[–] HardlightCereal@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago
[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Lawful Chaotic is a union strategy lol

[–] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Germans (of course) have a term for it: "Dienst nach Vorschrift" (work by the book).
It's a way for government officials to strike even though they don't have the right to strike and can't form a union.
They simply apply every single regulation concerning their work to the letter, grinding everything to a halt.

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago

Malicious compliance

[–] Scrof@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 years ago

The first one is just chaotic neutral, the second one is lawful evil.

[–] Hedup@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago

i have a strict moral code but nobody can figure out what the hell it is

Sounds like it could be used for encryption.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The following is not a critique of religion a people

I sometimes find the loopholes Jewish people use to get around the law of their own religion akin to the definition of lawful chaotic here.

'you shall not leave your home on sabbat' so we shall make a iron loop around the city, so it can be explained to be our house.

'you may not use fire (and therefore electronics), therefore we set timers for our gas furnace the day before.

It's quite bordering on creating chaos in order to follow the law. Just read this:

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/5-must-have-gadgets-for-shabbat-observant-jews/

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've actually always enjoyed those solutions. It's very legalistic.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I do too, they are funny in a way that they try and lawyer up against a all knowing and all powerful being.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I always saw that as a valid game that their God is ok with. It promotes creative thinking, so it's arguably a good thing.

Furthermore, and opinions on this may vary, but I was talking with an Orthodox Jew about all the rules and the sense of following them in the modern world, when at least some of them (like kosher) were obviously very important for reasons like hygiene and don't carry that importance any more, and he said he's obviously aware of that, but that following them is a sort of test/proof of strenght of faith/building of character kind of deal. And that no, God has no issue with non-Jewish people not following them. We don't have to and aren't supposed to. It's fine.

And it seems to me like finding these loopholes while still following the letter of the law (my favourite is paying non-Jews to do stuff for you on Sabbath) still works quite nicely from this perspective, since finding ways to circumvent these rules still requires you to know and acknowledge the rules.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

A contract is a contract, divine or mundane! You actually see similar practices in other pre-Christian faiths as well, though none, I think, with quite the level of creativity developed by Rabbinical Judaism.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago

I am absolutely this in real life.

I am lucky that i live somewhere where most laws do make enough sense to act within them on a daily basis but the second they cross my personal ideals there just as useless like any old religious text. Il accept whatever consequence there can be in order to stay true to myself. (Except endangering others).

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago

Jackpot if the person with Lawful Chaotic alignment is a lawmaker.

[–] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pretty sure we used to call the second one Lawful Stupid....

[–] Rhaedas@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

Could also be Malicious Compliance.

[–] TheMongoose@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

III. And Arnold Bros (est. 1905) said, Let there be Signs, so that All within shall know the Proper Running of the Store.

IV. On the Moving Stairs, let the Sign Be: Dogs and Pushchairs Must be Carried;

V. And Arnold Bros (est. 1905) waxed wroth, for many carried neither dog nor pushchair.

[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I make my own laws, that’s why I’m Chaotic Lawful.

[–] jcdenton@lemy.lol 2 points 2 years ago

It changes to fit the circumstance