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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 95 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

If you are in the US, and under roughly 20, the actual leading cause of death is firearms, been like that for the past 5 or 6 years.

https://www.cnn.com/health/guns-death-us-children-teens-dg

Thats from about 6 months ago.

You may also note that the article's source at CDC:

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D158;jsessionid=63943AC0B45AD52893397A22A027

No longer works, because this information is inconvenient for the current administration of " "pro-life" ", violence loving fascists.

https://archive.is/XZCYG

Scientific American, from 2022, has this same trend, but extending the age bracket all the way up to age 24.

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah you see the fire arms have reduced traffic deaths! This is a good thing. Everyone should solve their issues with the car before or after them with some kind of fire arm. I vote for rocket launchers to be bought for this purpose.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

On that train of thought I realllyyy wish that graph had total deaths on it for a more accurate picture of if they decreased or increased... Because it just makes it look like the deaths stayed the same and the other factors are all that is changing

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

From the second, Scientific American link:

Thats per capita, per 100,000 people, so, not a percentage of all deaths per year... though this is counting ages 1 to 24, and goes only up to 2020.


So... assuming 2020 US population is 330 million, and there are... I dunno uh...

https://buckystats.org/one/US/years?data=perc-by-age-24

Apparently ~31% under 25 yo.

So, ~ 102.3 million under 25 ... multiply by about 1023 to go from per capita to actual...

~ 10,515 firearm caused mortalities in 2020 amongst under 25 yos

~ 8,501 motor vehicle caused mortalities in 2020 amongst under 25 yos

There ya go, thats some napkin math.

Overall total is ~19,106, but that is of course only for the top two causes, firearms + cars, leaves out everything else.

Also... they are in this graph doing an age based standardization of all death rates, so... that will throw off this kind of calc I've just done, I'd have to have the actual numbers and do actual math to account for that.


From here:

https://buckystats.org/one/US/years?data=mort-perc-by-age-24

Under 25s in 2020 had 628 per Million deaths, so that works out to ~ 64,275 actual deaths.

Also I should clarify that for all this, its 1 to 24, not 25 and under, 1 and under is all classed as infant mortality and is its own thing, so my population proportions will be a bit off from that number not making that distinction...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs//data/nvsr/nvsr72/nvsr72-10.pdf

Ah ok, page 15, 19,582 total infant deaths in 2020, so, take that out of 64,275 and you get ~ 44,693 1 - 24 yo deaths in 2020.

If we eyeball the % graph from my original comment, thats about 38% for those top causes of death combined, which is about ~15,192 for both if them, or if you say 16% is cars, thats about ~7159 and if you say 18% is firearms, thats about ~ 8045.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So....as I see it, people were shooting at each other while driving in 2017.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Firearms also pop back up over 65 because after a lifetime of fighting the evils of socialism, old Americans end up poor in medical debt and pop themselves. they even believe it's their own fault.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Also, I'm pretty sure the CDC has been outright banned from even studying the public health effects of firearm availability.

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[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

That's a bit misleading considering the vast majority of those firearm deaths are suicides. Calling it simply firearms makes it sound like murder rates are insanely high and that isn't the case. That's not to say firearm deaths aren't a major problem, just that presenting it in this fashion will lead many to draw an incorrect conclusion about the data.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Suicides and murders and accidents, in each case it's the killing efficiency of firearms that makes such high rates possible.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its only misleading if you are not capable of realizing a person can shoot themselves or another person.

Calling it simply a firearm means that a firearm caused the death.

Thats it.

If you automatically read context into that, context that is not there, that's either a you problem or a literacy problem.


Also:

https://www.thetrace.org/2025/07/gun-homicide-suicide-data-link-study/

Over the course of five decades, the data showed that the strongest association between an increase in homicide rates and elevated suicide risk occurred in rural communities and among white populations. A one-point increase in the overall homicide rate correlated to a 3.6 percent increase in the suicide rate the following year, according to the study. The correlation was even more stark between firearm-related deaths: For every one-point rise in the firearm homicide rate, there was a 5.7 percent increase in firearm suicides.

tl:dr, firearm homicide and suicide rates are well corellated with a time lag.

We can say that a big problem is simply too much access to too many guns and say that with data as well.

“These results would suggest violence prevention is suicide prevention, and that we can reduce suicides by reducing violence in local communities.”

“We know that suicide and homicide in some ways have a lot of the same drivers,” said Dr. Emmy Betz, an emergency physician and public health scholar at the University of Colorado who specializes in firearm suicide prevention. “Poverty, lack of access to reliable housing or food, relationship stressors, and domestic violence can all increase the risk of suicide or homicide.”

The... so obvious it hopefully doesn't have to be stated... but apparently it actually does... part, being:

It is significantly easier to kill either yourself or another person with a firearm, than without one.

Its even easier than via using a car, in the US.

Plenty of people kill themselves and others in car accidents or otherwise using/involving a car... but the above graph is as agnostic to intent, to victim/perpetrator with cars as it is with guns, but for some reason, you don't bring that up, that doesn't need to be specifically clarified.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If people assumed that deaths from car crashes were usually intentionally inflicted on others, as they do with firearms, then yes, I would expect you to clarify that most car crashes are accidents when citing statistics about them that are not specific enough to convey that information on their own. If you think clarity in these matters is unimportant then you are in no position to be lecturing me about the proper use of statistics. Thanks for being a dick though, that's super conducive to meaningful discussion.

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[–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 81 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I wonder if poisoning counts stuff like overdose/alcohol poisoning because that one seems strange

[–] Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com 82 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Source is a bit outdated now, 2018 (didn't realize when I posted that), but it's primarily from drugs apparently. Both prescription and non-prescription.

[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 32 points 2 weeks ago

A bit sad that they didn't try to distinguish between accidents and suicide. But that's probably hard to know in most cases.

[–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, makes sense then

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

A drug overdose is termed as a posioning in these kinds of formats/contexts, for whatever reason.

The vast majority of these 'poisonings' are not like... snake bites, food poisoning, radiation poisoning, cyanide... they are overdoses of some kind, meth, fentanyl, prescription drugs, alcohol, etc.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Back in the 90s, when you broke up with someone, you poisoned them. it was the fashion.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hah!

I was going to post Alice Cooper's "Posion" as a joke response, but then I watched the music video, and its basically a 45 year old describing how he can barely resist deflowering an 18 yo.

So... yeah.

I'm going with 'rape culture' was more the norm in the 90s.

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Spouse that's tired of yo shit.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yes it does. We're not talking Agatha Christie here.

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[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 50 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Who came up with this graphic design?

What a terrible way to show this data, and only shows a small amount of info.

Could've been 6 lines if text and imparted as much.

[–] dmention7@midwest.social 11 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah... If this needed to be a graphic, a line or bar chart showing the relative rates of these handful of mortality causes would have been so much easier to read and conveyed more information.

[–] pticrix@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How else would you know that between 4-5, 24-25, 44-45 and 64-45, you were IMMORTAL.

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[–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This graphic is incorrect. The biggest concern at my age is rogue samurai.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sounds like you should have spent more time studying the blade

[–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

Well I'm still alive, aren't I?

[–] socsa@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago

And quicksand

[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Childhood diseases may overtake birth defects and accidents again soon.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

Man, I wish there was something we could do about it. Oh well, one can dream i guess.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (6 children)
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you can make it to 45 without killing yourself then you’re rewarded with cancer.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

Probably alcohol poisoning.

Just saying.

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Food poisoning, overdose, severe allergic reaction, medication conflict

Healthcare nomenclature is moving away from "opioid overdose" to "opioid poisoning". This is partly to do with stigma related to substance use- overdose can feel like it assigns blame "well if they just dosed correctly....". Also, poisoning is more accurate if you consider the fact that many street drugs have impurities, and unless you are having your drugs tested or testing them yourself, you can't be sure that you are taking the "correct" dose (or even what you are taking at all).

I put did not put "correct" in quotations to stigmatize, but rather to highlight that there isn't an established correct dose for street drugs. Correct in this case would mean to desired effect, and I understand why people choose to self-medicate so please don't take offense. Be safe out there!

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Around that age, you start cooking for yourself

[–] CromulantCrow@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I wonder if that includes drug overdoses.

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[–] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Poisoning? Do I have an enemy I don't know about?

[–] 474D@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, it's yourself

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Ive made to 41 by the skin of my teeth, im coming up on the next hard level, cancer. Im just gonna make sure i have shit ton of health potions bound to quick bar.

[–] stopforgettingit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well the cancer didn't take me at 45, so lets go heart disease!

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[–] JustTheWind@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

All I'm learning is that somewhere between the ages 4-5, and in 20 year increments ever after. I am effectively immortal for up to one year. I must leverage this power to my advantage.

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

Lokhir of Rorikstead: an arrow to the ankle.

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