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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 105 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I don't know if Tolkien's notes support this, but I always assumed that Treebeard's Entish name was something completely unpronounceable for anyone who isn't an ent, and "Treebeard" was a nickname that he picked for himself. Maybe because he finds it funny that other species think he looks like a tree. (I'm sure that ents look clearly different from trees to other ents.)

Edit: he says so himself.

Hrum, now, well, I am an Ent, or that's what they call me. Yes, Ent is the word. The Ent, I am, you might say, in your manner of speaking. Fangorn is my name according to some, Treebeard others make it. Treebeard will do.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fangorn is my name according to some

"Fangorn" means "Treebeard."

[–] Archpawn@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago

In Sindarin (the most common Elvish language), not Entish.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 14 points 2 weeks ago

Hello. Thank you for typing this so that I didn't.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Didn't he also say that his actual Entish name would take too long to pronounce for regular mortals to bother with?

[–] Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

Right, wouldn't an Entish Introduction (great band name) take a month of common time?

[–] hzl@piefed.blahaj.zone 65 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Makes sense. The biggest strength of robust worldbuilding isn't showing it all to your audience, it's hinting at small pieces of it that shows a connection between them and hints at something deeper. Having what feels like a detailed history makes the world feel real, because you can see shadows of it in the foreground. If you actually dig into all of it explicitly in your story that just makes it feel shallow, because you're showing the whole iceberg.

It's why the mystery of the clone wars and Anakin's apprenticeship and betrayal of Obi-wan were intriguing in the original Star Wars trilogy, but end up just being some action movies once it's all fleshed out on screen. Depth stops being depth if you bring it all up to the surface.

[–] zout@fedia.io 13 points 2 weeks ago

I wish more writers would understand what you're pointing out here, I've actually stopped reading quite a few books over the years because the actual story takes a back seat to the world building.

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Treebeard some call me" - it's a nickname

[–] jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

His actual name would likely take a month or longer to say.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Guy who walks around the forest: Strider.

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Guy who betrays everyone to side with Sauron: Sauron-man.

[–] pastel_de_airfryer@lemmy.eco.br 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In my headcanon, that's not his real name. The books were written after the facts, so I imagine the writers wanted him to be remembered only as a Sauron henchman, erasing him from history.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Really, your headcanon has some precedent in the books. If Wormtongue had written the history, he literally would've called Gandalf "bad news." And in fact, Saruman's actual name was Curumo. ...uh, or Curunir. Or Sharkey, or Tarindor, or...

I mean, part of the problem is that every person (and place, and country, and river...) has like a half dozen names depending on who's talking and what time or place they're in. Gandalf himself is Greyhame, Gandalf, Stormcrow, and Lathspell in Rohan alone; and Mithrandir, Olorin, Incanus, and Tharkun to other people in Middle Earth.

Aragorn and Strider and Elessar and Estel and Wingfoot and Longshanks are the same person in different contexts. Galadriel is also Alatariel and Artanis and Nerwen. Legolas is Laicolasse and Greenleaf (all three of which, in fairness, mean the same thing in different languages).

And that's before we even talk about what their names "really" were in the "original" Red Book of Westmarch, before Tolkien "translated" them to English. The "actual" sound that came out of Bilbo's mouth when he introduced himself was Bilba Labingi, but Tolkien decided that the name Labingi "actually" would've sounded like the word for bag or sack to the "original hearers." Likewise Frodo's name is "translated" from Maura Labingi and Sam "actually" introduced himself as Banazir Galpsi.

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[–] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Family who are very proud of their feet: Proudfeet

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[–] Malgas@beehaw.org 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

…in service of his fantasy epic.

This is wrong. The the histories, cultures, etc. were in service of the conlangs. Sure, he eventually wrote some stories set in that world, but that wasn't the reason he created it.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It keeps blowing my mind when I learn that other languages haven't obfuscated the meanings of names behind two thousand years of linguistic divergence.

Your name almost certainly means something basic too, you just don't remember what it is.

[–] Mithgaladh@jlai.lu 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, there's people called Hunter...

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[–] lath@piefed.social 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Seriously, like Gandalf just means magic elf. So he's just the magic elf that wears grey. Then he's the magic elf that wears white.

Names are just that, things we observe, want or expect.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Close.

It means elf with a stick.

[–] pipes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a possible translation but most people go with staff/stick for obvious reasons

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Overt bad guy: Sauron

Secret bad guy: Saurumon

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 14 points 1 week ago (13 children)

While I made the same association when first reading the books, I'll point out that the name Saruman is one the humans gave him. His Quenya name, Curumo, has little to do with Sauron, nor with the latter's original name Mairon before he revealed his allegiance to Melkor and the elves dubbed him Sauron (Quenya) and Gorthaur (Sindarin).

There is a connection between them, but it isn't by name. They were both originally Maiar of Aulë, both ambitious and cunning, both desiring order. But where Sauron thought siding with Melkor would get him the means to impose his noble order, Saruman stuck with the Valar and was eventually sent to protect the newly awakened elves from Melkor.

Still, that shared ambition for order eventually made allies of them, while their respective cunning saw each scheming against the other. If Gandalf and those meddling mortals hadn't gotten in the way, the final stage of the War of the Ring would have been a struggle between these two former colleagues. Depending on where the Ring ended up, that might have been an interesting struggle, the two most cunning Maiar going head to head, but I think it's for the best we never found out how that would have gone.

[–] JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Now tell me about a very specific part on a commercial airliner.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't know what you're referencing and planes aren't really my specialty, but personally, I'm fascinated by the whole concept of the Instrument Landing System.

Unfortunately, I don't think I have the technical understanding to confidently explain how it works, but it's using the modulation of different radio frequencies and the ways they cancel out to indicate to pilots whether they're correctly facing and approaching the runway. If the plane isn't in the right approach path, certain side frequencies will come out stronger and can be used to determine the exact angle you're off.

It's friggin' fascinating.

Anyway, were you referring to a specific part or just seeing if I can also nerd out about some other random topic?

[–] JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Check out @airplanefactswithmax on the social medias. He's an airplane mechanic that always starts talking about airplanes, and it always devolves into a way too in depth lesson in lotr. Seems right up your alley!

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[–] wieson@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago

The um signifies the hesitation

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[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Hello, my name is Personface

[–] playfulkittykat@pawb.social 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

Beardy McBeardface

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sure... but Tolkien could tell you Treebeard's name in hall a dozen languages he'd made up for his setting (or for fun, before the setting was a thing), including full etymologies.

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[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's kinda funny with anime and manga. They use Japanese names for a bunch of stuff like special martial arts techniques or special moves. Not knowing Japanese, the names sound cool and mysterious.

Learning the actual translations, Treebeard is pretty par for the course.

Like from Naruto, Sasuke uses the Copy Wheel Eye (sharingan), Hinyata uses the White Eye (byakugon), and Naruto's big move is Spiral Sphere (rasengan). Copy Wheel Eye's upgraded version is called Kalidoscope Copy Wheel Eye.

They aren't horrible names, but they feel less cool.

Though it would be funny if Saitama has special moves that are just other languages saying "normal punch" or "serious punch". "Hip bump with moderate vigor" or something.

Edit: fixed spelling of byakugon

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[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He also nearly named Celeborn Teleporno, which would have been ~~awful~~ amazing.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Not "nearly." That's actually his name in the "pretranslated" language that the book was "originally" written in, within the fiction.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Not "nearly" and not "Celeborn Teleporno".

Celeborn is his name in the language Sindarin.

Teleporno is his name in the language Quenya.

I think you can see the similarities between "Cele/Tele" and "born/porn(o)", right?

Similarly Galadriel (Sinadrin) has a Quenya name - Altáriel.

We have very similar situations here on Earth with differences in spelling/pronunciation between languages (and ages): James vs Iacobus or Catherine vs Aikaterínē.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No. he just translated it into treebeard for localization for English speakers. educate yourself.

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[–] bomberesque@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Mount DOOM has entered the chat

[–] Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Also, Shire just means Farm.

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[–] tio_bira@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

To be fair, sounds a bit weird when you speak his name in portuguese...

[–] ivanovsky@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 week ago

Maybe that's why Tolkien wrote a ton of books while most of us get stuck in the character creation screen of Baldur's Gate 3 choosing a name for 7 hours.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's me, I'm people

[–] TASchwitters@lemmings.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In a world where a guy named Big Balls has had control over federal budget allocations, I can accept this.

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