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They're just trying to find other ways to take guns from leftists and trans people.
Also, since pot is federally illegal, and legal states don't normally give the feds buyer info, how the hell would they even know? A form asking if you smoke pot? What stops someone from just saying they don't?
A form asking if you smoke pot?
Yes, that's exactly what already happens. The form in question is ATF 4473 for purchasing a firearm, and it is a federal crime to lie on that form. As far as the ATF is concerned, it does not matter if weed has been legalized in your state or not, or if it's for medicinal purposes or recreational.
As of now, you cannot own a firearm if you are "an unlawful user of, or addicted to" pot or any other banned substance. This has rarely been enforced, and it's hard to bring enough evidence to actually prove it. Were they a user when they bought it? A user an hour later? A month later? How do you even prove that in court?
The few times it's been prosecuted, it's usually one thing in a pile of more serious charges.
If the Supremes rule against it, then it's just the status quo. Nobody can really prove it. There is some reason to think they'll strike this down.
I think the answer lies in the Hunter Biden charges. They can ask the question when purchasing a firearm and then charge with a crime later if they can show that the person lied.
Honestly wouldn't be shocked if they started going after recreational marijuana either. Some big liberal states have legal marijuana.
. . . if they can show that the person lied.
That's the hard part, and the reason why it doesn't get enforced.
Yeah, I suppose my point is that it's very difficult to prove in court (especially the "regularly" part), and something would likely have to happen alongside the charge for it to be investigated in the first place. In other words, it seems like mostly theater, although it would be another tool to further charge any leftists that smoke pot in the future.
it is a federal crime to lie on that form
But are you really lying when you think or feel you're answering truthfully?
I.e., what is regular? Once a month? Once a week? These seem more "occasional" than "regular". And even at 3+ times per week, in "regular" territory, what if you stop?
Are you still a regular smoker if you've been clean for a month? Two months? Three or four? Six or a year?
Of course, this is all under the assumption they don't just get ICE'd or Venezuela-boated.
Yep, it was this stupid bullshit that they got Hunter Biden on for his illegal owning of a firearm.
the question on the form is not temporally bound; it asks if you are currently using. i read it as “are you smoking while filling the form out?”
the answer is always “no.”
This is already the law, they are actually looking to overturn it. Despite having used it to prosecute Hunter Biden.
Wonderful, set precedent that the 2nd amendment is totally subject to the whim of the president. Then let's flip all of government in 2028 and work on fixing this gun problem once and for all.
i’m all for better gun laws, and I speak as someone who owns multiple and yet still does not trust the 2nd amendment anyway. I think we should be reminding folks that “amendments” don’t mean shit, and we need legit common sense laws.
and a separation of concerns when it comes to what a gov can and cannot do. eg: laws won’t stop ppl from owning guns, but mental health/healthcare WILL stop people from causing harm.
Feels like alcohol should be higher in priority over weed when it comes to anger issues
recovering alcoholic here who has had guns, this comment is spot on. I smoke pot as well, never had an issue when high, but have been stupid with guns while drunk.
Came here for this: which of the substances makes you more likely to play Russian roulette?
The amount of accidents with guns and blood alcohol concentration must be fairly high.
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Everyone here is assuming they're trying to outlaw this. It is already outlawed. They're looking to overturn it.
I'm hoping it's mostly europeans, I feel like most americans with any exposure to gun culture should already know about this being illegal.
One of the biggest potheads I know is a right wing trumpet with TONS of guns. The irony would be pretty sweet I gotta say.
What if I irregularly smoke pot?
Only can own ARs then
This sounds like an attempt to prevent black people from owning guns, in the same way a marijuana conviction has kept them from owning dispensaries.
I know white people smoke pot, but they don’t usually try to make laws to keep white people down in the same way.
ATF form 4473 question 11(e) asks:
Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? [my bold]
Are you. Right at the moment you are checking the box, are you an unlawful user ...?
Caffeine and nicotine are stimulants.
Are you ... addicted to ... any ... stimulant ... ?
TBF, I think the people smoking pot should be the ONLY ones allowed to have guns, much more laid back.
Just so we're all on the same page, the current status quo is that you cannot buy a firearm if you use pot. This ruling would potentially change that. No, it does not matter if your state has legalized it, or if it's strictly for medicinal use. The ATF doesn't care.
It's rarely enforced, but it's there.
No one else here bothered to get on this page.
I tried.
This thread is a pretty good example of why I say that even if you're completely against any guns existing in society at all, you should still know how they work and what current laws actually do. Otherwise, you get the jumping to conclusions and bad analysis that we see here.
Watch as the GOP takes away gun rights from a sizable portion of their own pot smoking, 2A glazing base... and none will waiver their support.
Like clockwork, they get mad for all of 3 seconds, then they remember the GOP is leading the genocide against brown people and LGBTQ+ people, then they forget anything happened at all.
It's already illegal. This is a challenge to restore those rights.
lol. so many rural gun owners smoke pot. the stereotype is a urban youth but it is so common in rural areas.
I hope they decide they can. That said the entire corpus of the Roberts court still needs thrown out
Pot snokers may be on the fence about you coming for their guns, but gun owners are gonna get real mad about you coming for their weed
snokers
IS THERE SOME WAY OF IMBIBING WEED THAT I AM NOT AWARE OF AND WHAT IS IT
I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here and guess that they'll completely forget about the historical precedent test that they just randomly pulled out of their ass, but only when it comes to drugs, queer people, and leftists.
In 2019 I asked my doctor if I should have my vaccinations boosted because I was traveling for work. He asked if I was traveling to third world countries. I said I was. He asked which ones and I replied, "The US."
He boosted all of my vaccinations and added a couple of others.
“SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, LIBTARDS!”
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Far out man.
Ah yes, another spectacular "small government" approach from those Conservatives. "Don't tread on me, unless I'm brown/queer/leftist then tread all over"