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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

[old joke]

Joe dies and goes to Heaven. An angel meets him and says they are going to see his Mom.

"How did you know I wanted to see my Mom?"

"This is Heaven, we know everything and everyone gets exactly what they want most."

Joe's Mom loved flowers, and he finds her in a beautiful garden that goes on for miles and miles. Next he visits Dad, who has a 100 story tall garage with every kind of car and a dozen different race tracks to drive them on. His favorite teacher has a vast library; his coach has a team of all the greatest players; everyone is wonderfully happy.

Then he remembers his Aunt Petunia. He asks if she's in Heaven.

The angel pulls out a monitor. Petunia is all alone in a giant city. She goes into building after building, laughing and clapping.

"Petunia always thought that she was the only person who deserved to go to Heaven, so we let her think she's the only one up here."

[–] LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

his coach has a team of all the greatest players;

Just casually owning people in heaven.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I've told that joke for years, and you're the very first person to equate "has a team" with "owns slaves."

You might want to chat with someone about that.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

It's what I thought of too. It's because of the premise:

"Everyone will get what they dream of".

OK, so this guy has his dream team of players. I assume they are real people? What about what they want? Surely the entire team doesn't want the exact same thing in heaven. And yet there they are, part of someone else's dream team.

Seems like their agency has been taken away to satisfy one individual.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the premise of the joke is illogical because religion is illogical. Heaven is supposed to be perfect, but it can’t possibly be perfect for everybody.

If we’re going to overthink this joke, I would suggest none of it is real and this guy is living in a simulation.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think the point is everyone would be sinless so it'll be perfect for everyone. I don't think the Christian view of heaven is a catering to what you want. It is a precursor to an eternal life in a world free from suffering, pain and death, like eden.

[–] HairyOldCoot@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

The players are actually in hell.

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[–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What do you mean the coach doesn't legally own the players?

What's the fucking point of owning a sports team then?

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

Username checks out

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ohhhh this is the bad place

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

youCanCallMeDragon figured it out? Oh this is a new low..

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

That's why I find the idea of heaven to be self-contradictory.

One person's idea of heaven might be one where they don't need to worry about others wanting sex with them. Another's might be one where everyone is happy to have sex with them. And another might be most happy in a monogamous relationship where they are with their partner and no one else is even interested in their partner. (Also what about widows and widowers who remarry?)

Or hell, a simpler example: three people, one of which considers the other two their very best friends while the other two only like that one and would rather not spend time with each other.

So unless there's a new version of heaven for each set of desires (maybe even with a version of you that is happy there, to make those who want to be with you in that heaven happy), the whole thing will be great for some but probably miserable for many more (because you can't please everyone), which defeats the entire premise of paradise for everyone.

Not that this disproves anything, for all I know the many versions one might be the case or maybe heaven exists but is only fun for some people (which honestly is consistent with how religion generally works on earth anyways).

Edit: fixed a word, plus added the bit about widows.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

there's the story about dog heaven being squirrel hell.

the real hell is wherever people who gotta deal with those logistics go

[–] Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Oh, so heaven and hell are just amazon.

[–] Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

While I don't believe in it's literal existence, I do not find it to be contradictory. Sure, we like different things, but that's mostly just us being born and raised in different environments. If heaven was true, then we would learn everything we need to find it heavenly.

Also, if one believes in heaven, they likely believe in god. Being omnipotent, I don't think he'd have an issue creating a different realm for you inside the realm of heaven.

We're all just a weird mycelium in some bacon after all. ^gettin^ ^hungry^

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You mean there is no anal heaven after all!?

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No it's real I swear, I can take you there

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Giver.jpg or receiver.jpg?

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[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Reminds me of a little story by Steven Fry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzfCtGFgRSk

The TL DR if you don't want to watch the 2 minute video.

spoilerHe winds up on a tour by the mormons, The leader talks about how when you die you go to be with all of your families forever, Steven raises his hand and asks "but what happens if you were good?". and they asked him to leave the tour

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

If ALL of my dead relatives make it to heaven, I’d rather go to hell. Because a couple of them don’t deserve a good afterlife.

[–] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

God takes off his mask, revealing he's actually the devil and this is Hell

[–] __nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Does heaven have a den or a basement or a garage I can hang out in by myself?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The theory of Heaven is that it's a utopian existence because it is filled with ontologically benevolent people.

Also, you're dead, so all those biological functions that produce anxiety don't exist anymore.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If the biological functions that produce anxiety don't exist anymore than surely the biological functions that produce happiness and love all cease to exist as well right?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mortal happiness, certainly. But Orthodox Christians consider that sinful, too.

Shedding one is just as important as shedding the other.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Mortal happiness? So Immortal happiness still exists? What about Immortal anxiety? Does that exist?

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[–] __nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

ontologically benevolent people

Where are these people coming from though? Surely not Earth.

Most protestant churches do not require a believer to be perfect or benevolent to reach heaven only that they have earnest faith in God/Jesus/etc.

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[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Everyone has their own idea of what a utopia would like, I doubt it's one size fits all

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[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 2 points 2 weeks ago

Can I get the version with just the pets?

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Right, I've always found the idea of heaven terrifying. I've got access to all kinds of entertainment and gazillion ways of communicating with friends and family, and I still don't do that while all of us are alive and I'm easily bored or unimpressed, imagine now being immortal and in a place where everyone you've known exists and you can't even make excuses like work or physical distance etc., to me that's worse than life itself

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
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