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Stupid ass private education bullshit

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

formal education feels like it was fully co-opted by "the market"

If you want to join "the market" (have a job and get paid for it), you need formal education
To get formal education, you need money
To get money, you need to join "the market" or have someone who's "in" to pay for you

As for "getting smarter", that's different from formal education

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To get formal education, you need money

Brazil's top universities, the ones everybody wants to join, publish research and look good on your resume, are the public universities. They're entirely free, and if you can prove you don't have sufficient income, most will also provide somewhere to live (shared, but still) and free meals.

In other words, high quality education doesn't need to depend on your income. Protest against that, vote against that.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago

Technically true, but as many students find out, having classes' times all over the place each semester means you'll have a hard time finding any jobs in the meantime, which will more or less force them to live off savings or family help, especially if the course has mandatory books that you cannot find a pirate copy somewhere. Also, the student residences get full super quick. Not to mention that every public medicine course in the public unis only has like 2-3 students that actually came from the lower classes.

Fonte: meu pai e minha irmã estudaram na UnB

[–] Pencilnoob@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

To be fair a lot of college graduates learn very little.

Khan Academy is also free and amazing. It's possible with free YouTube and KA to learn nearly any subject you desire.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] Thoven@lemdro.id 5 points 2 weeks ago

Essentially, because it takes labor to create educational material. Unless you own slaves labor isn't free. And in fact with the modern library and Internet access I'd argue self educating is more accessible than ever in history.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It doesn't? You're paying for brand recognition and a piece of paper that says you can follow directions and spend money. Learning is free. Don't let capitalism tell you what's important.

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[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Hello, if you would please refer to "Wage labour and capital":

We have just seen how the fluctuation of supply and demand always bring the price of a commodity back to its cost of production. The actual price of a commodity, indeed, stands always above or below the cost of production; but the rise and fall reciprocally balance each other, so that, within a certain period of time, if the ebbs and flows of the industry are reckoned up together, the commodities will be exchanged for one another in accordance with their cost of production. Their price is thus determined by their cost of production.

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What, then, is the cost of production of labour-power?

It is the cost required for the maintenance of the labourer as a labourer, and for his education and training as a labourer.

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Thus, the cost of production of simple labour-power amounts to the cost of the existence and propagation of the worker. The price of this cost of existence and propagation constitutes wages. The wages thus determined are called the minimum of wages. This minimum wage, like the determination of the price of commodities in general by cost of production, does not hold good for the single individual, but only for the race. Individual workers, indeed, millions of workers, do not receive enough to be able to exist and to propagate themselves; but the wages of the whole working class adjust themselves, within the limits of their fluctuations, to this minimum.

The price of education can only fall once the supply of laborer requiring said education falls below the demand of such laborers and, consequently, the price of their labor power rises above the cost of creating this labor power. The (even more) bad news is:

But the productive forces of labour is increased above all by a greater division of labour and by a more general introduction and constant improvement of machinery. The larger the army of workers among whom the labour is subdivided, the more gigantic the scale upon which machinery is introduced, the more in proportion does the cost of production decrease, the more fruitful is the labour.

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Furthermore, to the same degree in which the division of labour increases, is the labour simplified. The special skill of the labourer becomes worthless. He becomes transformed into a simple monotonous force of production, with neither physical nor mental elasticity. His work becomes accessible to all; therefore competitors press upon him from all sides. Moreover, it must be remembered that the more simple, the more easily learned the work is, so much the less is its cost to production, the expense of its acquisition, and so much the lower must the wages sink – for, like the price of any other commodity, they are determined by the cost of production.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

Obtaining education doesn't increase your intelligence.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 2 weeks ago

It doesn't. It costs money to get the diploma that's proof of your smarts. The Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz didn't actually get a brain, he got a diploma.

My son is a committed cinephile, and has systematically watched nearly every movie ever made, in any country, in any era ( it seems). He's an expert, by anyone's estimation. He just started back to college for a degree in Film Studies, because while he has the knowledge, in order to get a job teaching film, or working in an archive, etc., he needs the degree.

So you aren't buying the knowledge, any person who makes a serious commitment can get the knowledge, you are paying for an organization ( a school) to endorse your knowledge. Kind of a Certificate of Authenticity for your intelligence.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The only cost to an education or learning about subjects, ideas and people these days is the cost in TIME, NUTRITION AND EFFORT

Sure you can spend tens of thousands of dollars and go to university, college or whatever institution for a whole bunch of years and learn a bunch of stuff. Or you can just take the time to read a bunch of books, study them, learn from them on your own time.

I never had the opportunity to attend post secondary school ... I read, I write on my own and do things on my own. I'm not the smartest person but I've surprised my more educated friends and family in my ability to know a lot about many things. I've also traveled the world to many countries and in each country I visited, I took the time to read about it's history, read books from there and learn as much as I could about it all. I also enjoy learning about the latest technologies, so I've learned to tear apart computers, put them back together, install, uninstall, reinstall an OS and just generally play around with computer systems often. I have friends who are teachers and nurses with qualification in many things and lots of education, yet they come to me to fix their computers and they're surprised when I can talk to them about most subjects about history, politics, travel, countries, science, technology and many other things.

I hate to say it because it sounds stupid ... but having an education these days often doesn't amount to much. Unless you have a well defined goal as to what you want to do and you have a lot money, resources and support, you get to become a well rounded, educated, knowledgeable and capable individual. Otherwise, the majority of post secondary educated people I've seen are just people collected certifications and diplomas to add to a collection and don't really gain much of an education in anything valuable.

Read, read books, read all kinds of things and read often ... it's probably the biggest thing they get people to do in higher education. There is so much content out there that is freely available. Read, watch and listen to lectures that are freely available in all sorts of sites and made by actual highly educated and knowledgeable professors and professionals. Find those free resources that are vetted, recommended by people you trust.

The other part of the equation I honestly believe is nutrition. Eat properly and eat enough of the right things. My mom literally raised us on oatmeal every morning. I grew up with kids who ate sugar pops or nothing at all and the majority of them didn't end up with a good life path. Then we seldom had processed foods as mom and dad were hunters and trappers that fed us a steady diet of wild meat and especially fresh fish. We're Indigenous so a lot of our diet was from the land ... we were poor and didn't get to eat much but the food we ate was highly natural and nutritious. Eat enough good natural food, enough protein and fats, exercise, walk and train if you are young and capable and all that nutrition and blood pumping will get you to learn more, faster and retain things longer. The younger you do all this, the better it is because the older you become, the harder it is to do anything.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

Where im from we have libraries and the internet. Now getting job skills. that is a tough one.

[–] CannedYeet@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Higher education is a positional good. That means you're not paying to learn, you're paying to be ranked among the top X%. By definition only so many people can be in the top X%, so it's an arms race dynamic just bidding up the price of education.

That's also why Harvard doesn't create a chain of schools like the for-profits. They're not better at education. They're selling exclusivity.

[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

Honestly you can't even buy an education outside of some technical fields needed in the economy. The only way to really become educated is to be a life long enjoyer of knowledge across many domains. There is almost no educated people left anymore since all of that has gone to the way side to make room for authoritarianism and orwellianism. Economics is a great example. Go to the most prestigious schools in the U.S and you will not learn even the most basic principles and facts of economics. Law is the same. You will not learn law as it actually is, but this totalitarian mindrot version of law.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago

because rich people dont want competition, so some fields are gatekept. like professorships, medical doctors, research scientists, probably admins that arnt acquired through nepotism. if have been a job forum alot of positions are taken by nepotism in general. research heavily gatekpt, by placing a arbitrary amount x years of experience in job listings even at the entry level. Also the top prestigious schools often breed elitist ass students too, they think they are entitled to certain jobs, or if they become professor, they think the way its taught should be higher than it would for that college.

some people are saying degrees are useless, they are if you are getting one without doing research on it before applying, thats on you. trades is not as easy to get in as you think, even if doesnt require it.

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