Revolution is a group project and I hate group projects
this post was submitted on 18 Oct 2025
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The neolibs are too far right. The tankies are doing whatever that is. Where's the space for the people who want fully-automated-luxury-gay-space-communism, but realize that it's gonna take a while and there are lots of steps between now and then? Here. This is that space.
Here, people should endeavor to discuss and devise practical, actionable leftist action. Vote lesser evil while you build grassroots coalitions. Unionize your workplace. Participate in SRAs. Build cohesion your local community. Educate the proletariat.
This is a place for practical people to develop practical plans to implement stable, incremental improvement.
If you're dead-set on drumming up all 18,453 True Leftists® into spontaneous Revolution, go somewhere else. The grown ups are talking.
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Not the good kind of group project, where the others fuck off and let you handle everything. The bad kind of group project, where everyone wants their input to be validated as super-special and important even if it ruins the entire endeavor.
I need to kill the other group members so my ideology rises to the top!
Turns out there are so many group members that that becomes a group project too.
It's group projects all the way down
Oh no
Back to the trees everybody
You can just watch them act like the right extremist but they can't see it... It's like they don't even know what they are saying and they just go on emotional rampages.
I found out I'm apparently a Republican terrorist because I think it would theoretically be good to have a gun if a civil war started.
I got comments telling me I'm mentally ill and need help, haha. And that I was calling action to violence. ...for simply stating I think it would be useful to have a weapon during a war.
Exactly. If I could just do the revolution it would be done by now. But noooo, we need to hear everybody and agree on everything even Jeff’s stupid idea that somehow got popular.
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How does organizing start? It's not by people politely discussing things and making a cordial agreement to go against their own freaking government... People need to be fired up enough to want to act in such dangerous ways in the first place.
I'd bet people saying to, "grab your guns" aren't flippantly saying, "yea, go march out in to the streets by yourself and start popping off at things you don't like!" They're making a general plea for people to get ready for such actual, real world organizing and effort.
This kind of flippant dismissal does less than nothing to help people organize.
I'd bet people saying to, "grab your guns" aren't flippantly saying, "yea, go march out in to the streets by yourself and start popping off at things you don't like!"
You must be pretty new to Lemmy.
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Sadly I know plenty of tankies who do literally meant that, and get disappointed when people don't.
Heck the Socialist Party of the USA Chapter I was in was lead by a guy who called Bernie Sanders a phony because he, get this, did not advocate for violence against the police.. He was completely serious to and basically told everyone we were fake leftists if we voted for him in the primaries.
Guy was an absolute clown, he kicked me out when I refused to support a transphobic green party candidate who advocated for curing autism with crystals. See cause "Crystals" are "Chinese Medicine", and "China's literally incapable of doing anything wrong."
Because that makes sense
Tankies are not known for their intelligence or wisdom, so that tracks.
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That's exactly what they're saying lol
No, there are some users on here that try to agitate people into suicide by cop. Not many, but a couple. It's pretty wild.
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It would probably help to be more literal when you're discussing this kind of thing, if you don't mean it the way people are taking it.
I agree, but not everyone is in a great headspace nor an English major.
They're making a general plea for people to get ready for such actual, real world organizing and effort.
Get ready! To be ready! To get ready! Cause we're almost about to organize!
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Lots of, uh, interesting comments here. My 2-cents worth of advice:
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Be highly suspicious of arguments that are essentially punching down on workers, all Americans, common people being lazy, stupid, etc. It's class warfare (always has been) and the enemy are the oligarchs, not your fellow working class people.
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Calls to violence this early are pathetic. The non-violent activism is working and it's only just barely even started. Calls to violence are from meatheads with zero patience (and likely zero understanding of how horrible that outcome will be for everyone involved).
Plus on your number 2 point: a LOT of the meathead types are just keyboard warriors with testosterone hard-ons trying to act like mister badass like it's a flex. The crew of 'Oh I wish they would try this shit at my house' and the like, as if they aren't some dude that would get absolutely put in the ground in 4 seconds or become a free loot drop if shit did pop off.
The #2 will stay behind their keyboards when TSHTF and then smugly criticize whatever failures of the actions, peaceful or violent, of those who actually took the risk and effort.
unionize
God, unions serve such vital functions. I didn't appreciate just how fucked things were when I read about the decline of unions when I was young. When I got older and interested in revolutionary history, it really highlights how even simple coordination between workers enables so much more than just negotiation with an employer or industry.
I couldn't agree more
Incredible use of the comic, I remember my mother having to explain this one to me when I was young and flipping through my Calvin and Hobbes books.
Arming yourself and organizing are both good. You probably don't have to wait until you've found people to organize with before arming yourself in the US. It's good to have a way to defend your home during a Nazi uprising
Oh I agree completely.
Yeah cause the guns helped so much to prevent fascism in the US. Totally worth all the child sacrifices.
Watch some protest videos where the left is armed. Suddenly the police just want everyone to get along peacefully and the civilian fascists STFU.
Guns are not only for killing, they are a deterrent.
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And there's probably a large overlap between those random internet provocateurs, and the same assholes who stoked the ignorant and self-destructive election year trends of bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe
Supposed "Bernie Bros" who sometimes slipped their act, like referring to a Gulf Of Mexico city as "a warm water port", a distinction that can ONLY be in the mind of some shit russian in some shit iced-in port for the winter, getting paid in vodka and meth/kokodrill wages by the kremlin to poison minds and democracies online.
Warm water port? There is no way someone from the US would say that ... most US citizens think the ocean is all the same temperature.
Supposed “Bernie Bros” who sometimes slipped their act, like referring to a Gulf Of Mexico city as “a warm water port”
That was a Texas republican that wanted Texas to secede, not a bernie bro or a Russian. He just heard somebody say you can't be a superpower without a warm water port and thought that meant Texas is a superpower because it's warm in Galveston.
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