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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago

The struggle is not with the intent to successfully achieve post-scarcity communism, but to get as close as we possibly can, and once we get past efforts by the elite to sabotage those efforts, we can get pretty far (and have done so).

Think similarly to the objective to eliminate all petty crime in a society. You may never succeed, but you can reduce crime so that the rates are the lowest ever, and then go lower, and so on.

It's not all that hard. We already have (or had -- we're in regime change now) socialist programs that target low-income demographics (e.g. SNAP) and we have socialist programs that provide for everyone (e.g. CDC) and socialist programs that provide for general use (e.g. the NHTSA). We have libraries, the post office, the space program, and so on.

Communism happens by extending this communal infrastructure as far and wide as possible without privatizing it (the way George W. Bush did with Social Security pharma coverage), up to and including things like food and home production, mass transit and so on.

We've seen the Soviet Union fail to make communism work before corruption (and sabotage by the elites) overran their infrastructure. Similar we've seen the US fail to make democracy work before corruption (and sabotage by elites) overran the elections.

We try, try, again until we get over that damn hill.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 5 months ago

Capitalism is based. Democracy is based. Government is based. Regulation is based. Liberalism is based. Diversity is based.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Replace the word "communists" with "capitalists", and the joke works every bit as well.

My own views are a bit idiosyncratic, but I don't think capitalism has ever existed as a real thing in practice. The framework of ideas of what it's ostensibly supposed to be has never matched any real existing system, and I see communism in the same way (albeit at least in the case of communism they explicitly state that a system must be socialist first before evolving to their ideal endpoint).

But whatever you want to call the prevailing system that does exist, it needs to go, and it should be perfectly clear that the framework of capitalism as a template is long overdue to be scrapped. How many times does an idea have to fail before everyone recognizes it's time to move on?

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[–] rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net -1 points 5 months ago

Capitalism has caused more deaths by far

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