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Canadians divided on talk of sexual orientation in schools, poll suggests (globalnews.ca)
submitted 2 years ago by sik0fewl@kbin.social to c/canada@lemmy.ca
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In a new poll, nearly half of Canadians say they support the notwithstanding clause to ensure that schools tell parents if their child wishes to use a different name or pronoun.

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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

A total of 1,518 Canadians participated in the web survey from Oct. 6 to Oct. 9. It cannot be assigned a margin of error because online polls are not considered truly.

Call me suspicious of the validity of an online poll. Aside from the fact that it doesn't share it's collection location or methods, online polls are substantially more vulnerable to brigading, astroturfing, or any other form of manipulation.

Global News should be fucking ashamed of itself. Imagine calling this cash-in of ad revenue on this hot topic issue, "journalism".

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The problem is the average person is not able to think past what they directly observe/experience. A single news article or meme on their Facebook feed is all that is needed to shape someone’s opinion on a topic forever.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

single news article or meme on their Facebook feed

A single article that already conforms to their existing biases is all that it takes. A lot of people already feel like they own their kids, and an article that reframes that as "some people want to rob you of your ownership rights" will seal the deal

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

And some parents would want to know so they can support their kid, but are not answering with the context of other kids who have the opposite of supportive parents.

Like if my kid revealed something like this to a teacher I would want to know to help be supportive, but sure would not want teachers to be obligated to tell all parents because my wants are not as important as the safety of students with terrible parents.

[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago

Religion has done more harm to children that anything that has existed on earth. That's what we shoul be protecting them from.

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Canadians divided on talk of sexual orientation: bigots vs. non-bigots.

That pretty much identifies most divides on social issues.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Poll suggest that some Canadians are racist, bigoted, climate-denying, coal-rolling anti-vaxers but it's much easier just to call them 'conservatives.' Is there someway to put an import ban on US politics?

[–] sik0fewl@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I hate labelling people like that. I wish we could would just call them racist, bigoted, climate-denying, coal-rolling antivaxxers.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This whole gender topic is merely a distraction from bigger issues that actually matter.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How we treat people and their human rights actually matter.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Let me rephrase that:

This is a manufactured issue to keep people from organizing and stopping the permanent destruction of the environment that sustains life on this planet. I doubt the people that manufactured it know that though, they only know that they're still making money from unabated and unsustainable resource extraction.

To be clear, our environment is collapsing right now, no one knows how long it will take to completely collapse though. This summer has been the hottest summer on record, almost exponentially so, and it's not going to stop until we stop it. There are already bodies of water that are becoming to hot to sustain life. If the oceans, lakes and rivers die, we die along with them because the plants and animals (phytoplankton) in all the water make the vast majority of the oxygen you're breathing right now. We have to stop fucking around and get the fuck to work and stop this or everyone dies. Maybe not in our lifetime, but as it stands now, it is definitely going to happen. Again, this is just another distraction to keep people from doing that so others can keep making money off of it.

*I of course think Premier MooMoo is way out of line on this, but it is in essence a made up issue to distract, to keep eyes away from his, or his governments ostensible industry friends. A person chooses their pronouns as a way of expressing who they are, respecting that decision is common sense; however, it's easy to make that an issue with today's hyper connected aged toddler.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's easy to say when you aren't a sexual minority getting pushed around.

Yes, I would much rather be giving a shit about a zillion other issues. I would like to put this to bed and get onto other things. Unfortunately, conservatives just won't leave LGBTQ kids alone.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

Yes, exactly. You won't do anything about the issues that are much more immediate because "they" have created these other issues for you. It certainly is important that people don't have their right trampled on just because of their sexual orientation though, and the funny thing is it seems to be the same group that are protecting those that are fucking everything up environmentally. I hope votes are enough to stop it all.

[–] ram@bookwormstory.social 8 points 2 years ago

ugh 15 years of social progress regressed...

[–] willybe@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

Here is the poll report:

https://leger360.com/surveys/sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-in-canada/

Rather than blaming the ignorant about these issues. I think this report shows we need to do more work too support schools and raise the level of education on these important, and life saving curriculums and services.

[–] OttoVonNoob@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

My friend is trans she, grew up with hetero church going parents, teachers who talked about the hetero families and basically had no exposure to trans ideas til her 20s. I dont think knowing about something gives full on desire on top of that you can't transition until your 18 and a individual adult...