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[–] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Under the Biden administration the Democrats had exactly 50 votes of 100 in the Senate if you factored in some very conservative Democrats who held everything up. If you don't want compromise you do need to vote in enough Dems to avoid Joe Manchin being able to hold everything up.

Y'all need to stop voting in paralyzed governments and then complaining they compromise and don't do anything.

Edit: This was not a fillibuster issue as they were always struggling to get 51 votes. And no, primarying Manchin was not the solution as the replacement would have just lost to a Republican who would have voted for Mitch McConnell as senate majority leader. Holding the Senate in a useful manner requires some margin.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

You guys need a multiparty system.

And you need to weaken your federal government.

And you need to stop worshipping a bunch of 18th century slave owners.

Basically, the American political system is ridiculous.

[–] abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

We need ranked choice voting and compulsory voting. The people who could add their votes and make a difference don't vote because "one vote doesn't make a difference". We make voting compulsory and you're gonna see a lot of people that can't afford the fine for not voting turn out

[–] ILoveUnions@lemmy.world 1 points 48 minutes ago* (last edited 48 minutes ago)

Before mandatory voting, first the day of elections needs to be a mandatory day off, with large fines to anything but the most absolute essential emergency services running.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

We need a war and a new constitution. Hate to say it, but the countries that the Allies bombed to shit in WW2 and had multinational efforts to rebuild and restructure legally have fared better modifying their guiding documents than the US. We’re hamstrung by poorly defined ideals and the interpretations of some rights while others are written in stone by ideologues.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah... that's how democracy works. You vote for a party to do what you want and it's going to take a lot longer than you'd like. You don't vote for a party that'll do what you want and things get worse for you.

It's sad how Americans on both the left and the right are against democracy now. The American people have failed democracy and are incapable of admitting it.

[–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

How long do people need to wait though? It's been bummer comprise candidate after bummer compromise candidate for 50+ years while peoples lives are getting worse.

Rent is up, medical care is up, food is up, transportation is up, housing is up, yet wages are stagnant.

50% of all economic activity is driven by the top 10%, the working class is being entirely cut out of the economy as a consideration.

Sure the democrats are better than republicans, but that doesn't help people afford rent or go to the doctor, so wtf are people really voting for? The chance that in 20 years after a lot of compromise things might be slightly better maybe?

[–] abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The problem is that the people who can't afford rent and don't vote? They HAVE given up on democracy, but most of us haven't. So it looks like the whole country has but we havent.

[–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

If democracy continuously fails to improve their lives why wouldn't the give up on it?

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world -2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Democracy is failing worldwide. There was a problem when people gave power to the people so they could govern the people, all because the people are retarded.

[–] ILoveUnions@lemmy.world 1 points 47 minutes ago (1 children)

Democracy fucking sucks. But holy shit is authoritarianism so much worse

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

Time to go back to imperial times.

[–] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

The illusion of choice...

[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 27 points 14 hours ago

Get a progressive to win a primary and Democrats are working with Republicans to defeat them.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 22 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

THE TRUTH is there so much voter suppression and rigging voting machines going on many places dont get much representation. aside from gerrymandering. this discourages voters, and thats what gop wants.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 20 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

The dems are entirely lame while in office.

That's still LEAGUES better than the genocidal fascists of the GOP.

Maybe if you want progressive reforms, stop bitching and vote for progressives in the primaries. Not that it'll matter now since millions let the fascists win so we won't have any elections any more.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Keep blaming a 1% of internet leftists for not voting a genocide supporter out of principle instead of the establishment for running Ms. "We will build the deadliest armed forces in the world during an ongoing genocide that I support".

Bernie was the compromise, and the dem establishment essentially antidemocratically couped him out. Now the dems deal with the consequences: they'd rather see Trump in office than a progressive (look at the collabbing between dems and reps in derailing Mamdani).

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Keep blaming a 1% of internet leftists for not voting a genocide supporter out of principle instead of the establishment for running Ms. "We will build the deadliest armed forces in the world during an ongoing genocide that I support".

TRUMP IS ACTIVELY COMMITTING MORE GENOCIDE AND ON US SOIL.

BOYCOTTNG VOTING BLUE OBJECTIVELY ENABLED MORE FUCKING GENOCIDE

Get it through your thick fucking skull that you people chose the PRO-GENOCIDE option.

No one should ever take you people seriously ever again. We have MORE GENOCIDE NOW because KAMALA LOST AND TRUMP WON.

Wanna know how we'd have ended up with less genocide?

LEFTIST COULD'VE VOTED FOR KAMALA AND MADE HER WIN.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com -3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You have more police violence in the US, not more genocide. There is no genocide in the US going on unless you count 20% of black males going to prison at some point in their lives, which is happening since many administrations ago and hasn't really changed that much since Trump. You had the highest number of deportations during Obama, didn't you?

Not everything we dislike about the US political system is genocide, I want to abolish the USA to be clear, but again: the fault of dems not being elected is Democratic elites who refuse to bring anything remotely palatable to the table. It was not "sabotage" that ruined the Dems chances of winning unless by sabotage you mean the internal one destroying every progressive candidate.

I didn't choose shit and I didn't sabotage shit, I'm a Spaniard in Spain without desire or right to vote in your country, that's why it's flagrantly obvious to me that choosing the least appealing possible candidate will result in elections being lost.

Leftists couldn't have voted for Kamala because they didn't vote for Kamala, it is the dems who lost the elections lmao

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Quick google search:

You can bring isolated instances as much as you want, macro data points to this being a bipartisan issue and nothing having fundamentally changed.

This is not an endorsement of Trump, this is a blanket condemnation of the entire US government apparatus, which should be entirely dissolved.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

My dude, ICE just got a budget that dwarfs the marines specifically to become Trump's Gestapo and genocide force: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ice-funding-world-militaries-b2790466.html

And "isolated incidents"?

My dude, I want you to ask yourself, really ask yourself, were the rights of immigrants more compromised last year, or this year?

Did they have more of a legal framework to rely on to ensure their own safety and safety for their loved ones this year or last year?

We're facilities being built en masse specifically for an unparalleled mass deportation campaign (which is how the Holocaust started BTW) last year or did that start this year?

Ask yourself, was the active president trying to normalize sending the military to confront protestors last year or this year?

Shit, don't just ask yourself, ask immigrants. Ask scholars who specialize in the history of genocide.

You're too hyper-focused on simple raw data while conveniently ignoring the context of the reality behind it, and your data isn't even up to date for the current year who's data would most be important to have for this conversation.

Not to mention the very likely discrepancy that people detained by ICE and sent to concentration camps are likely not gonna show up on data talking specifically about US prisons for US crimes. Especially when you consider THE VAST MAJORITY THAT ICE HAS KIDNAPPED HAVE NO CRIMINAL RECORD: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-ice-immigration-arrest-data-1.7584212

Why tf would they show up on that data?

Also, do you genuinely believe ICE when they report back that their victims are alive and ok, when 1.2k ARE FUCKING MISSING FROM ALLIGATOR AUSCHWITZ? Which we only know about because it was closed down for environmental regulations.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 points 7 hours ago

I commend your care about the minorities in the US, I'm just trying to show that this isn't an exclusive Trump issue, the US system literally puts 1 in 5 black men through the prison system throughout their lives. I'm not endorsing Trump, I'm not endorsing ICE, both are fascist organizations. It's just that the entire US apparatus is fascist and now it's strengthening its repression inwards, which has USians worried. As a non-USian, it's sad to see, but it's what Democrats enabled by not doing literally anything during their rule and putting forth an unelectable pro-genocide candidate talking of fascist points such as the infamous "I will ensure that the USA has the most lethal armed forces in the world" to which the crowd in the DNC responded "USA, USA, USA". The way to fight fascists historically isn't to elect less fascist right wing, not even social democrats, but to organize in communist and anarchist unions, parties and organizations.

[–] rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Keep blaming a 1% of internet leftists

I know we’re just throwing numbers around here but wasn’t the margin like 1%?

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 2 points 8 hours ago

The difference of dem voters between last and previous elections is surely higher than that.

[–] danielton1@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

The dems dropped the ball in the 2024 election, by pretending Biden was sharp as a tack and gaslighting us about his mental health until they couldn't hide it anymore during that disastrous debate, and since they lied about him so long, they replaced him with someone who flopped HARD in 2020 and lost the election in 2024.

I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primaries and watched as the DNC did everything they could to destroy him and install a good little establishment guy like Biden.

When Trump's a psychopath and the opposition keeps gaslighting us about the mental health of the president so long that they have no choice but to hand pick a replacement because it's too late for a primary, a lot of people are just going to say "fuck it" and not vote.

They're still being delusional and refusing to face facts. Hopefully they can learn from this.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I get where the DNC fucked up.

Everyone except the DNC acknowledges where they fucked up.

Its the millions of leftist voters who are in a desperate need of self reflection for how they fucked up by boycotting the election.

Millions of marginalized peoples' loves were at stake with the 2024 election, both domestically and abroad. People who leftists are supposed to care about, advocate for, and pico the best VIABLE option for, which was Kamala.

Boycotting Kamala wasn't "sticking it to the Dems". It was deatroying the future and lives of the millions of marginalized people the boycotting left abandoned to fascism.

Its extremely easy for those in pirivelge, be it financial, racial, sex, gender, etc, to look at Kamala by herself and proclaim she was a shitty candidate. She was, objectively.

But 2024 wasn't about Kamala, it was about millions of people who now have ICE and the military dissapearing them, and canceling elections nation wide in 2026 and on.

We cannot keep pretending everything that's happening was an unknown. We were warning people about P2025 for over a year, but self righteous egomaniacal leftists either didn't listen, didn't believe it, or simply don't actually give a fuck about the marginalized people now being sent to concentration camps.

[–] danielton1@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

The DNC needed to do a lot better to challenge Trump and they failed miserably. They propped up a guy who could barely form a coherent sentence. If they really, seriously believed Donald Trump was the existential threat to this country that he totally is, they should have been up front about Biden's mental health in time to hold a real primary.

Kamala Harris didn't lose because she is a woman of color. She lost because (A) she's a terrible candidate who can't answer questions consistently, as also seen when she ran in 2020, and (B) people felt like they were lied to by the Dems so long that they lost faith in the entire political process and didn't show up to vote. To act like Trump lied and the DNC told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is just plain wrong. The truth is, in a democracy, nobody is owed any votes, ever, and you can't just blame the citizens.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago

It’s nice to see my seething rage brought to bear in your comments.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 1 day ago (29 children)

When was the last time the Democrats held 50+ percent in both houses to pass legislation without needing to cooperate? Believe it was Obama for 2 months in 2009. So all complaining about this for the last decade has been moot.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

I assume you mean 60+ to break filibuster.

And weren't a lot of them solid conservatives too (not like Manchin, further right)? Hence why pro-choice laws were never solidified.

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

60% for Obama, which is what was needed to overcome the filibuster, an utterly broken part of Senate procedure.

We had 50+VP for the first two Biden years, but that gave us no room to negotiate with our own party - or 'our own' party, considering that two of the most troublesome fuckwits later became independents when they decided they'd done all the damage they could inside the party. Add to Biden himself being not much more than a milquetoast moderate twat, and you have a recipe for very little getting done.

Not nothing. But not nearly what needed to be done, realistically speaking.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Why is that 60+ not a requirement for Republicans to pass the legislation and ratify nominations that they want? The Republicans haven't met that threshold since the 67th Congress back in 1921.

The 119th, 115th, 108th and 109th congresses which were all Republican trifectas didn't meet that criteria and the "tea party" and "establishment" flavors certainly aren't any more of a unified front than the democratic party.

[–] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 1 points 29 minutes ago

The current legislation they are trying to pass in the Senate is an example. Part of the reason we are in a shutdown, from a legal standpoint, is because Republicans do not have the votes to bypass the filibuster.

As for why nominations don’t require the 60%+ threshold? Because it was something previously agreed between both parties. There are very few things that you can actually Filibuster. You may have heard of budget resolutions as an alternative to getting things passed, it’s for if they want specific economic legislation passed that can’t be filibustered.

Either party could in-theory get rid of the Filibuster, but that is a can of worms neither party wants to go for as a short-term win. The Filibuster is what prevents the worst legislation from even seeing the light of day.

The only reason I could see Dems getting rid of the Filibuster would be if they wanted to uncap the House, but that in itself would require a Dem trifecta and every member in the Senate willing to approve uncapping the House.

[–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Because Republicans don't infight anywhere near as much a Democrats.

I'm pretty convinced that trump has gotten as far as he has because the Democrats parts is like 50/50 corporate shills on Trump's payroll and ideologues.

Of course we never get anything done. Half the party is hellbent on selling out their constituents and the other on performative "moral victories."

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Because Republicans don't infight anywhere near as much a Democrats.

Oh, they do. But it is significantly less theatrical.

Half the party is hellbent on selling out their constituents and the other on performative "moral victories."

Beautifully said, and that's what I wanted to draw attention to.

[–] insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 17 points 1 day ago

Even if we ever get that again, people will be sorely disappointed because legislation will be too busy fixing damages from the previous administration to make much actual progress. Which will be forgotten by the next election (same as it ever was).

In 2048 Reagan's ghost will still haunt the country, plus Trump's ghost too.

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

Show up to the fucking primaries and help progressives put fucking progressives in Dem seats. Otherwise these neoliberal ghouls will keep warming the fucking seats, though that's assuming the current fascist regime is too busy tripping over its own distended asshole to successfully implement the one-party state it so desperately desires.

Bernie got 25% of the vote in the 2020 primaries. We fucking need people out here.

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