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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

An imperialist, an imperialist, and an imperialist put down their differences to fight a nationalist-imperialist?

[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 26 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

The US was happy enough with the Nazis until Japan forced them to take a side

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

And the USSR was very happy with the Nazis until Germany attacked them.

[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

True, I just hate that the US acts as though they played the biggest part in the war when countries like Canada were there from the start

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The US was playing the isolationist card until we got brought into the mess personally, but isn't that usually how things are? Didn't Canada go early on because they were part of the Empire still? The US was still needed even if it was late to the party, Churchill himself hinted in his Fight on the Beaches speech about "until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."

[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 0 points 1 hour ago

Didn't Canada go early on because they were part of the Empire still?

That was a true for the first world war but Canada entered the second world war as an independent nation.

And yeah, like the US helped a lot but that's mostly because they walked in at the end with a fresh army after everyone else had years of fighting. It's very American exceptionalist to narrow the "victors" of WW2 down to the UK, the USA and the Soviet Union.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 4 points 3 hours ago

The US was supplying the UK and France from the very start of the war, ending a near-decade long embargo on munitions export, and Lend-Lease began before Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago
[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Sadly there are elements in all 3 that also wanted to co-operate with the Nazis. Luckily they weren’t able to be influential enough.

We must always remain vigilant.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 5 points 3 hours ago

Indeed. The US had its German-American Bund and Silvershirts who were admittedly marginal, but a large minority of the population who would've been happy to simply sell Germany materiel - or starve the Allies of the same.

A person's voice is a powerful tool - and stopping the worst from occurring can buy enough time for deeper developments to take root.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 12 points 4 hours ago (2 children)
[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 16 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

All things are relative, and the standards were... low around WW2.

Consider it the ignominious position of 'victory by default'

[–] daskye@fedia.io 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't make it a democracy

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 4 points 3 hours ago

All things are relative

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 5 points 3 hours ago

“Communist”

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Capitalist Dictatorship (2025 America)