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The reason they are paid more than you is because they have a skill you will probably never possess.
Through a mixture of selfishness and manipulation they are able to evade ever having to be self reliant. This means they are experts at getting work done through others.
Which, unfortunately, is what management is all about.
Had me in the first half there.
Real. It's almost painful to watch some people struggle with such simple things while I'm literally coding my own utilities for fun
To be fair, PDFs have always been complete and utter cockshit to deal with and how you deal with it has changed over time.
For awhile there, you used the Print dialog. Because the PDF authoring software was implemented like a printer driver. Because if you know the history of PDF, it makes a certain kind of sense to do it that way because the bones of PDF is PostScript. Except it's a dogshit way of implementing the UI, because the user is trained to create a file, you click Save. To create a physical sheet of paper, you click Print. Now you're asking to create a file, by clicking Print. Makes as much sense as the FCC's website.
Some programs now implement it through the Save dialog, others have a "Save as PDF..." option in the File menu, and others have an "Export" and/or "Export As..." which I bet a lot of folks who know what that means and would know to look there would struggle to turn it into words.
Oh, and then...when I was in high school, they trained us on Office '97. When I was in college, they trained us on Office '03. My first non-minimum wage job? Equipped with Office '07. Ribbon interface, no more File Edit View Preview Tools Help. Microsoft especially has a bad habit of moving shit around so that your tools don't work the way you're used to and offering no training or hints that anyone can actually find.
My favorite was when an update would change, hide, or remove a feature I had never heard of that was absolutely critical to one person's workflow for an essential task that affected everyone, like payroll.
The computer literacy of the younger generations is also alarming. While they're pretty intuitive about using an app's advertised features, they don't seem interested in "exploring" computers and their capabilities like slightly older people.
What I'm saying is that the ability to convert to PDF lies exclusively with Millennials
And burn CDs 💪
It's due to the fact that we are the BRIDGE GENERATION ... the generation that lived in a world without the internet or modern technology but got a front row seat in seeing it all come to what it is now. The generation before us were too old to care about the new things that were coming out so they never took the time to learn about it all. We were just the right age to be young enough to be interested and old enough to learn about it. The generation after us have only ever know the modern internet and modern locked in devices we have today, so they didn't have the interest or patience to want to learn about it all. We grew up in a time when computer systems ran like molasses so it was slow enough for us to have an opportunity to learn about how they worked and ran. We learned to tear apart computers and computer parts, put them back together and figure out how to run them. When we couldn't afford to buy the latest software, we became pirates and crackers .. and eventually, we learned to use Linux and open source software while also keeping our foot in Windows and for some of us with a bit more money, a foot in Mac as well. Now the tech world is becoming more and more locked in with software and hardware ... it is getting harder for anyone to see what's inside the box or to even figure out how to take it apart, rearrange it or swap parts or even to adjust anything. Young people just buy a solid state phone and they will never know or want to know what a CPU, RAM, SSD, HDD, GPU, PSU mean ... and whenever that thing breaks down, they just chuck it, buy another one and start all over again.
I mentioned this before in another thread
So many of my millennial colleagues don't know shit. Tell them they can click with their mouse wheel and you blow their minds.
I think it's just about what interests people. And most people on Lemmy are more tech literate and have more tech literate friends in the same age bracket, thus skewing their perception.
There was a long time when the middle mouse button didn't do anything, because the standard PC mouse was 2 buttons. I had a Logitech 3 button mouse where the middle button didn't get much use. In I think RiscOS it had a function, then there are some actions like "both click" where you click both left and right buttons at the same time, which is sometimes also implemented as middle click. In Linux, middle clicking pastes from the primary buffer. And when you know what that means, it's actually pretty damn handy.
Lot of younger gen x did all of that shit, with even less documentation and less mainstream support and community.
To be fair, they're rare. Most Gen X are boomer-lite. The adult learners and tech enthusiasts built the digital world we live in though.
Yeah, I was shocked when I learned about that. I'm a millennial. I was under the impression, that since we were so far ahead of our parents concerning tech, the next generation will all be hackers. A friend of mine works in high school teaching IT. He told me, that today's teenagers don't know how to download a file from the internet. And when they do, they still don't know where it is on the computer.
Let's not excuse the tech industry on that one. Data has been getting more and more walled off on many platforms. I wouldn't be surprised if they never had to download anything.
It's all streamable and accessible but downloading from places takes a little more knowhow. Not a lot but more. We have access but they keep ownership.
It's not the only reason but it's Def part of it. That and using tablets and smart phones which are also more locked down.
TBF, my (work) computer relentlessly tries to hide it. Why do things go to different files based on where I download from?
3 years ago i gifted my (then 6yo) son my old computer and basically left him alone to figure out(with parental controls). Whenever he wants to do something complex he asks me, but he is learning stuff on his own. I uninstalled YouTube (it had a shortcut on the desktop. I just removed it) and he figured out how to browse to it. The other day he remember a browser game he liked so he googled it and then asked me how to scroll down to see the full game.
I hope this becomes a real useful skill that is not forgotten once AIs can do everything and we probably interact by voice commands
I once had to (try to) explain to a millennial how to type an URL into his browser's address bar. To him, Internet and Google were literally synonymous. To this day, I can't get over it.
Even with millennials, I feel like there's a big chunk who still barely have any understanding. At least I assume most know a file system exists (ie know of folders and such), but most would think it's synonymous with the gui software they use to explore it and would have no idea how to even start navigating it by command-line or even imagine it's possible to using an alternative interface to the one that came with the OS. Whereas younger gens that grew up on iPhones that hide the file system would have no clue. And the older generations frequently just used the desktop for everything.
I just had this exchange with my few years younger girlfriend who counts as a zoomer:
Me: So go into the Canon app and select from there the file you want to print
Her: ...
Me: (showing on the phone) So go there, and now just browse for the file.
Her: uhh...
Me: Where did you save the file?
Her: I don't know.
Me: Uh, so where is it?
Her: In the PDF app
She's really smart, she uses Linux, she laughs about some of her same age and younger friends not having a clue about files and folders and stuff but phone is where this happens hah
To be fair, phone OSes go out of their way to obscure where files go for some reason. Android's filesystem is somewhat arcane even when it's completely transparent, and it's mostly hidden behind apps that just say "Saved" or "Downloaded" and I'm left asking "okay but where!?"
EDIT: I suppose it's not necessarily the OS's fault but more of the app culture
People should install a good file explorer like Cx, it actually shows where the files are....i also use it to access my nas and stream video from there.
This os only true if the apps play nice. Some save stuff in their own arcane space, never to be seen again.
Tbf, phones needlessly obscures file storage. Like why do I have to have a specific third party app just to have the normal file management functionality
Hi I'm not a millennial, yet I do enjoy my beloved pdftk.
Though it may have to do with a suspected level of neurodivergence.
Meanwhile, Gen X:
Watched someone copy an entire file of Python code, paste it into an LLM, ask the thing to 'remove all whitespace', copy paste it back, and then be flabbergasted that there's even more whitespace than before.
I'm thankful it was over a video call and not in person.
But.... Python
Python has....
Python has whitespace semantics
You can't just-
*sigh* we're doomed
This is one of those rare occasions where the AI was apparently smarter than the person asking the question. It was smart enough not to remove the white space
I feel that's not a very rare occasion at all.
I'm sorry I made you feel those feelings, truly, but yes, we're boned ☠️
Then ask it to remove parenthesis from your C code.
Or Lisp
Today I had to explain to an a linesman (electrical infrastructure technician) what a website was.
He could not get the concept you could just go to a website and he kept googling stuff which doesn't work because I wanted him to go to an intranet site
Just out of trade school, or old as the trade itself?
I think he was around when the electron came into existence and the dawn of the universe.
my four shitty boomer bosses dont even know how outlook works, let alone basic excel. they all make six figures.
my four shitty boomer bosses
it takes 4 of them just to keep you busy - you have become unmanageable.
huzzah
I was driving limo and the CEO client (who I knew quite well, client-wise) spent the first 30 minutes of a trip on the phone insisting that his original password be restored, as the 'system' was insisting it be changed.
He told me he has to repeat this every 4 months...
To be fair, simply forcing users to create a new password every X weeks is bad security policy.
It is and it's actually not even recommended best practise to change passwords anymore precisely because of this. It hasn't been considered best practise since I think around 2016-17 so businesses are really lagging.
If you get governmental contract work and pretty sure not resetting the passwords too often is actually now part of the security requirement but outside of that businesses just do what they think is best regardless of research.
It's actually even outright discouraged by NIST.
For those who don't see the reason why, forced password resets lead to users using predictable passwords like "password2025october", "password2025november", etc.
Was in a "meeting" yesterday being confronted with this and I finally lost it on the guy. He told me I was being very unprofessional, raising my voice at him. Me? How about you asking about things that were taught on day one repeatedly and not retaining any of the answers I have given you in all my futile efforts? There is no fucking way in hell this guy would be qualified as an entry-level direct report to me after four decades in industry. I finally realized that level of wilful incompetence, in addition to posing as a colleague, adds up to stolen valor and complete disrespect and dishonor for those of us who put in our 10,000 hours 30 years ago.
I swear, that actor captures the face of psychotic, narcissistic rage so well it's scary.
I never got to attend school beyond high school but I've been able to get by in many things. I know quite a bit of technology, I build my own computers, used to tweak, adjust, maintain, fix and install/uninstall/reinstall my Windows software all the time ... I've kept just about every electronic device I've ever owned over the past 20 years - and they all still function. Now I've moved onto Linux and open source software and now enjoy spending my time tweaking, testing, destroying and playing with it all as much as possible in my spare time.
Meanwhile, I have a couple of friends who are the same age as me and they came from well-to-do families who helped them go through years of university and now they're doctors, lawyers, dentists, teachers and administrators.
They have a ton of training and schooling .... yet I'm the one they come to for help when it comes to their home computers, work laptops and any electronic device. When they can't get my help or I'm not available or I don't have time, their usual solution to electronic problems is to throw the thing away and buy something new.
The disturbing part of seeing them throw away old devices, laptops and desktops is that no one ever thinks of wiping or destroying the drive. I've picked up so many old drives, laptops and devices that still have so much sensitive data on them its unbelievable.
I think doctors and lawyers needing help with their computer is fine. That's the "I have a deep knowledge in this specific subject at the expense of not knowing much outside of it."
But I'm more interested in knowing how you do your testing? Is it some super specific set of hardware / software? I ask because sometimes I have an issue and I don't know if it's some mixture of software packages or versions or hardware, or maybe I just found a bug and should report it.
