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Show transcriptScreenshot of a Mastodon toot by @ebassi@mastodon.social:

The whole open source community loves Milkshake Laptops, a lovely laptop company that has ethical values! 5 seconds later We regret to inform you the laptop company stans fascists

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[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 134 points 3 weeks ago

From what I read, it sounds like they were supporting a bunch of different projects based on “oh hey this is kind of neat and could be useful” and didn’t really look in to the background of the relevant devs.

The thread on their forum reads like them wandering in to something, reading the objection as some obscure beef and running the standard PR approach without really realizing what a mess they just stuck their foot into.

Hopefully their cage will be rattled enough to look in to it and pull back.

[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 89 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

This is very in the weeds. They sponsor open source projects as a little side thing. One of the projects they sponsored is very bad, and they were publicly called out about it less than 24 hours ago. Not even enough time to make a proper response. I can't even find on their website where they list the open source projects they sponsor. Open source sponsorship was never a major part of their business.

This is very new news. Give them time and form your opinion on their response. Its likely that only a small subset of the team works on open source sponsorship, so most of those in charge of the company were likely unaware until now.

edit: fixed several undecillion minor typos

[–] Unknown_0671@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

first of all, its two projects. second both got most promotion by them then other projects they sponsered. third their official people (not sure how high up but still) have responded in the thread badly. fourth the thread has no positive affirmation that they care about the fascism support but more "this specific case is probably not that", its not hard to say u dont support fascists

[–] SnoringEarthworm@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The assumption is that they believe a not-insignificant portion of their customers are fascist or fascist-adjacent.

If everyone upset about this boycotted and tanked their bottom line, they'd probably shift gears in a heartbeat.

But I suspect that the number of fascist/fascist-adjacent customers is high enough that they need both groups' money to survive.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Well being tolerant with fascists is a no no.

We're taking about being tolerant with a company that's tolerant of fascists.

If I'm tolerant of that, would you tolerate me? Where do we draw the line?

Not trolling, but I get that it sounds that way .

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[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 weeks ago

The assumption is that they believe a not-insignificant portion of their customers are fascist or fascist-adjacent.

If they actually think that, they have an even worse market research department than microsoft.

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 3 weeks ago
[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 55 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

if system76 turns out to be shitheads imma blow up the earth with a illudium q-36 explosive space modulator

[–] Arsecroft@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 3 weeks ago

they personally fucked me over years ago on a screen replacement i was willing to pay for.

they wanted to charge me 600 usd just for the panel that was available on aliexpress for 80

ended up doing it myself, and then spending 80k usd on a different company's hardware for the company i worked for that used linux desktops

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 3 weeks ago

I doubt system76 would make the mistake, primarily because they have no reason whatsoever to fund any other distro and DE other than Pop_OS and Cosmic.

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 weeks ago

That sounds like a fair and measured response. I approve.

[–] NewPerspective@lemmy.world 51 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I have a big tent too but you know who's not under it? Fascists

[–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Can I come in please? I'd love to be somewhere fascisn't.

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[–] poke@sh.itjust.works 49 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

If the community reacts super strongly to this before framework even has the chance to properly investigate, respond, and react to this kind of issue, why would they ever want to risk investing in open source projects in the future? Come on, people. Give them time and if you have to hate on a company hate on the bigger ones that do these sorts of things on purpose and get away with it. I understand informing Framework and putting pressure on them to fix things, but there's such a thing as going too far.

[–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 3 weeks ago

They already made one (very poor) response and that's what's got most people doubling down to keep the pressure on them to change their stance. I really dont see how a bunch of forum posts could possibly be "too far".

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 3 weeks ago

The community reacts so strongly because they made clear it's a deliberate choice.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If it weren’t for the out of touch, deeply offensive responses they already made, this likely would not have blown up. The fact that they responded in such a dismissive, disgusting way is the reason this is news.

[–] nagaram@startrek.website 9 points 3 weeks ago

I would have been happy with a corpo

"We will be reviewing our philanthropic practices going forward."

With pure neutral tone and no mention of the politics.

That's the corpo correct answer. And its concerning they didn't give that.

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[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 30 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Reminds me of Milkshake Proton Privacy Services

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[–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Here's hoping for a new official response that takes these concerns much more seriously and commits to a structure that doesnt allow for these types of issues to come up again. I had just finally decided on framework for my next laptop, but I'll happily spend my money elsewhere if this isnt resolved very differently from how they first hoped to sweep it away.

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[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

As another example of this sort of thing, shopify, cloudflare, futo, jetbrains are sponsoring ladybird, while Kling apparently shares DHH's views. It's definitely generally bad to support a project led by this sort of person, and now that they know about it I think they should stop, but idk if i'd condemn the whole company over it. Especially as it often requires quite a bit of research to find out about that sort of stuff unless you were there when the social media drama happened.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

i don’t think unknowingly supporting shitty people is that bad. mistakes happen, after all.

knowingly supporting shitty people, and then saying it’s fine because you’re wanting to create a big tent that includes everyone, even fascists, is bad! very bad!

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago

"let's sit Nazis at our table so we get all viewpoints!"

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[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

while Kling apparently shares DHH's views

Who are those people and why are their views important?

[–] themagzuz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

kling is the creator/head of the ladybird browser. dhh is the creator of ruby on rails, but he's now working on omarchy, which is basically just a collection of dotfiles for arch but people love for some reaso (personal rant).

the reason that their views are important is because a lot of tech companies, even ones that were previously reputable like framework, have been pouring a lot of money into these. this is especially relevant for omarchy, since afaik dhh is the only person working on it, making donations to omarchy basically be direct donations to dhh himself.

while kling has done some questionable things, dhh is basically just a straight up fascist, which really puts the principles of the companies giving money and promotion to him (like framework) into question

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just get an old ThinkPad like me, problem solved!

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

No, it's Lenovo, but the kind that still has a CPU socket and a removable battery, one of which could have been a nice addition to framework if they didn't insist on "modern design sensibilities"...

[–] GEEXiES@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

“modern design sensibilities”

How I dislike laptops not having trackpad buttons! No matter how good modern trackpads are, I still just want buttons. And lots of keys, and switches... and screws. Don't care how clean and sleek modern laptops look, they are a tool for me.

  • Bonus points for the trackpoint!
[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago
  • Bonus points for the trackpoint!

BRING BACK THE CLIT STICK

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[–] compostgoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 3 weeks ago

God damn it, Framework, cmon

[–] Qwel@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Please don't keep this title if the post reaches the frontpages

It has only been 12h, and they only put up one (awful) placeholder response. Give them a bit of time to look into things before telling the headline-readers to never buy their stuff

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

i haven’t told anyone to do anything; but even then, shouldn’t it be goal to put pressure on them so they change course?

[–] Qwel@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Maybe I'm being a bit too nervous, but companies like Fairphone or Framework rely on goodwill from technical people who are ready to pay more for less stuff to encourage their politics. If poeple categorize them as non-rule, they are not going to pay the premium. I think, for a lemmy user, that would set the odds of buying at near-0. again, maybe i'm being too dramatic

I agree that putting pressure this way is a good thing, but the pressure needs to be conditional. If you just mark them as dead before giving them a chance to correct course, they are better off reaching all the way for the customer base of "apolitical" users. The ebassi screen has a parodic tone that reduces the certainty and definitiveness (people will just put FW into question rather than fully discard it. i think), and avoids citing the name directly, limiting the damage to people who already have some understanding of the situation

anyways at this point I think there is enough threat to elicit a reaction on their part, and that we should wait for them before burning everything down. and I hope they can just have a quick fact check and everything will be fine and they will actually have money to donate because they won't if they keep up the vibe of the first response

I'm being way overinvested ok byeee

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[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Anyone want to give some context here?

[–] Liz@midwest.social 26 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

I dunno man, people being furious about a very loose potential fascist association in an open source project while using a platform whose lead developer is a tankie. Kinda wild yelling at framework while supporting people who deny China's human rights abuses.

[–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Without arguing politics, the world is sliding very quickly towards facism and being on guard against it is incredibly important. I'm not buying a laptop and putting money in the pockets of someone who may then donate to or fund facism. None of that applies to a developer of a free open source software whose political ideal world is not rapidly approaching.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah: literally the only thing the developer of Lemmy gains from people using their software is kudos as a techie.

Letting that person feel a bit better because of having another user is a universe away in terms of "supporting" them from actually funding them.

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

I envy your grass touching abilities

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[–] RiceBowl@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I cannot understand why Nirav, the head of the company, would weigh in here instead of having the PR/Marketing team ~~of~~ or someone come up with an answer for this. Made it so much worse and I have such a bad feeling about them now.

Maybe some Ben Franklin will help them “It takes many good deeds to build a reputation, and only one bad one to lose it.” “Never ruin an apology with an excuse.”

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