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[–] realitista@lemmus.org 94 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yeah it's called Lemmy.ml, hexbear, lemmygrad.ml

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Remember every time we find Putin backed propaganda outside of Russia in the wild, it's nearly always boosting predominantly conservative viewpoints versus anything else.

Outside of their borders they're more interested in people fighting with each other than anything like coming together. Right wing politics is how they do that

[–] troed@fedia.io 29 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Sorry, but this is wrong. They're also actively sponsoring "left wing" propaganda, to further sow discord. Depending on which group you yourself belong to, it's just easier to spot "the others".

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-39592010

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Primary sources tend to disagree

Here's a study from 2019 about it that backs up my assertion that more is conservative https://academic.oup.com/joc/article/69/2/168/5425470

And of that propaganda being created, that conservative inclined people are most likely to fall for it: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/20563051231220330

There seem to be plenty of other papers that more or less reach those same conclusions with a good number of citations, but I can't find anything really at all on Google Scholar concluding the opposite with a quick search, let alone something also credible.

The closest some papers come is saying that they try groups all over the political spectrum, as their goal is disunity ultimately, but they seemingly don't really have any kind of continued success with misinforming those groups anywhere near as effectively. They more or less all end up concluding that most of the propaganda targets conservatives, because they're the ones that fall for it.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 15 points 2 days ago

Both sides fall for it, just not equally.

[–] JollyG@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I think one of the problems with citing that first study as evidence Russian disinfo is targeted at conservatives more than liberals is that it only studied one case, and Russian disinformation campaigns tailor their disinfo to different demographics, often through brute force/trial and error. So it is quite possible that the particular case they studied happens to be tailored to (or more successfully resonated with) conservatives, while another specific case would have resonated with liberals more thus resulting in more liberal exposure by their metrics.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Your assertion that more is conservative is a meaningless assertion in the context of this discussion.

More can be conservative on average but you don't see an average view of the internet, you see your filter bubble, and that source backs up the original assertion that yes, Russia is targeting leftists too.

[–] troed@fedia.io 3 points 2 days ago

Primary sources tend to agree

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00207020241257635

Might it be that you're commenting based on what you want to be true?

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

Wonder if they sponsor the Canary

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Your article doesn't seem to mention Russia once.

Rumors and smears are part of free speech. To the extent that right-wing trolls and their audience are actual voters, it's essentially just a coarse form of ordinary political speech.

The extent to which a foreign government acting coverly is either creating or artificially boosting such content is scandalous.

[–] troed@fedia.io -4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Your article doesn't seem to mention Russia once.

Feel free to read any other article that does, if you somehow have managed to avoid learning about russian influence campaigns over the last decade.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You presented it as proof that Russia is supporting misinformation on the left. To be that, it has to both include all three parts of the claim -- that there is disinformation on the left, that Russia is covertly supporting disinformation, and that some of the disinformation on the left was supported by Russia.

If your wife sleeps around, and I engage in casual sex, it does not necessarily follow that I slept with your wife.


A common suspicion in America is that Vladimir Putin believes that Trump as POTUS is good for Russia, and that Putin interferes with US politics with a specific goal of helping Trump.

If you have some reporting that directly links Russia to left-wing disinformation I'd love to read it. But the BBC article I read after following your link didn't have any such link.

[–] troed@fedia.io 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is the third time I post this paper in this thread: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00207020241257635

There are plenty more. You spent more time writing your post than it takes to find them.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Better. That actually supports the assertion that Russia does engage in left-targeted disinformation (in Canada, on Twitter.)

It also supports the original point you dismissed as "wrong" -- of the 90 "most influential" accounts, only 9 were subjectively identified as "Canadian far left".

Maybe you should spend more time reading the actual articles, and not just their headlines?

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago

When you make a statement it's your responsibility to provide proof because what if you're talking out of your ass? How would we find any proof in that scenario when it literally wouldn't exist? How would we know if you misinterpreted a source? How would we know we misinterpreted the correct source? What if we think what you're saying is so stupid we don't want to waste our time looking for proof? There are a lot of reasons the burden of proof shouldn't fall on us, which means the burden of proof should fall on the person who made the statement. They know if what they said is factual and if it's factual they know where they found this fact and thus it would be significantly less effort for them to find and present the source.

[–] dadarobot@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] troed@fedia.io 11 points 2 days ago

Oh you think they just stopped? Did you bother to verify for yourself?

Over 2 million tweets from these accounts were collected from 24 February 2021 to 31 January 2023

Russian influence operations are weaponizing Canada's far right and the far left

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00207020241257635

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 days ago

Thats false, every report ive seen on Russian activity shows that they antagonise both left and right wing people creating and boosting misinformation and organising real world protest events.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Absolutely and utterly false. They try and promote fighting, anger, and distrust of government to everyone.

They target leftists with things that will upset them, make them angry at the right and the government and other leftists and sow further discord and polarization.

[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Less extreme Leftists generally aren't nearly as likely to be control freaks as the right (although there are always exceptions), so getting them (as a group) angry enough to fight takes much more effort than it does the right.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Leftist movements are literally known for infighting and falling apart, it's the subject of countless memes.

[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

That is why I specified "less extreme," but yeah, that's fair.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tankies have literally adopted the same rhetoric as MAGA. It could not be more obvious that leftist spaces are absolutely infested with this.

[–] dumbass@aussie.zone 8 points 2 days ago

Lol what an embarrassing propaganda unit that group is.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't call them that. Most if not all of them are genuine people with some having accs for many years before Reddit crossed the line for most of us and them becoming anyhow relevant to interfere. In a recent hexbearean post about fediverse negativity I've read a couple of opinions with a notion that federating with others wasn't that great, and they were pretty happy just by themselves. I assume, it's the same for other two too. That's a game too long and effortful to be a psyop imho. Their positions and where they get their info are things to argue, but let's not get as far as dehumanizing them.

Almost everywhere I soundly proclaim that I am a russian dummy anarchist, that I live in that state for I have no options, and I angrily disagree with their fascination, mystification of what it is, I hold a grudge with anyone who wants that russki mir to be the model the whole world should share.

I, nevertheless, find a lot of points, like personal stuff and grieveancies, theoretical things, sympathy to protesters, to Gazan survivors that I share with them. Unlike transparently racist/fascist troll comms that were there, unlike their campaigns I've noticed, there is a huge population of real people worthy of talking, arguing with.

Call me any names and ban me, but as long as any person or community is supportive of basic pillar causes like body autonomy, you, like, can at least talk to them and find something in common.

What I missed though, is that Diva said the same, but misleadingly doubted the existence of russian bot networks. Them and state suppression ruined the rusophonic space to that degree I dropped it altogether. I don't know how their actions affected other countries, but as a nolifer shitposting addict trying to trust them just a bit, I came through fire, water and copper tubes before dropping them altogether. They are like current Twitter, but worse. And, well, fuck, I wasn't abandoning that to find the next option already corrupted.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You don't have to be aware that you are a Russian asset/propagandist to be one. A couple useful definitions

Intelligence Asset Useful Idiot

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You've ignored whatever I said to drop a one-line generalized response, not an organic one, and didn't elaborate why it relates to what I said.

Isn't that a behavior of a useful tool you alert others against? I don't assume you are one. But I get some vibes you don't act in a good faith there.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To be honest I didn't understand the thrust of most of what you wrote, but if you are against the Rusky Mir, you are probably on the right side to begin with. If you are an anarchist, you probably have no place on .ml to begin with.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Drunktexting and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

The main point why I wrote it was that I don't find them either bots or artifical influencers. They do probably want to have some reach or fresh blood, but don't want their local culture to be spread too thin like it's reddit 2.0. They are anything but cancer that I've met seeing real botfaming ops.

And, although I don't share many of their thoughts, most of the posts I see in my feed discuss common issues where we aren't that far from each other. Closer, than to maga/zionist/z-crowd. And in that context I find it alright to not draw any lines and just talk.

When things start to get overly political, well, that's a whole another thing, where different bestest solutions are incompatible, historical betrayals are dugged up and the internet infighting ensues. It's exhausting and pointless with just 2mil mostly irrelevant nerds on Fediverse. It's easier to just scroll through some amuzing takes, and instead focus on things where we can cooperate.

[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 24 points 2 days ago

Dear russian psyop soldier reading this, fuck you. Love, me.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

Excellent opportunity to prove the superiority of our localized moderation model!

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago

The fact the comments here are so contentious is just funny. I will block as is appropriate but so far have not had to do to much of it on the fediverse. Man it needs to be reciprical though so their training is limited.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago

The network includes accounts impersonating reputable news outlets such as BBC News, Euronews, and Meduza, designed to give credibility to Telegram propaganda links. We believe it may be connected to the “Pravda/Portal Kombat” pro-Russia propaganda network.

Accounts are hosted across numerous Mastodon instances and bridged into Bluesky, creating the appearance of independent sources. Activity on Bluesky helped reveal aggregate patterns, identical usernames, posting schedules, and content themes more clearly than across decentralised Mastodon services.

If your first reaction was to post "posts I dislike are Russian bots", then you haven't actually grasped the argument. It has nothing to do with anyone disagreeing with specific posts.

It's also very telling that you're reflexively posting that when it says nothing about the data being presented.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are obviously agents from elsewhere, and some of them may be pretty effective, but it's nothing compared to Trump and Co getting money from the likes of Saudis and acting like they own the place. If the main concern is american politics, well, the real worms aren't theoretical or real foreign enemies, but corrupted fuckheads that ignore human, state rights, shutdown government, pack people from the streets to deport. No enemy could've done such damage so-called friends are doing.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The rise in right-wing nationalism has been notable across Europe, as well. It's a good guess that the Russians have been pushing that, too. The US is just ahead of the curve.

Leading the Western world, as usual.

[–] dickalan@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It don't matter this is basically Russian propaganda too I don't trust anybody or anyone which is what they wanted

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[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 days ago

Most effortless and effective blame offloading "news" of the century.

I guess I'm ruzzian now.