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Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I'm disappointed in framework's answer so far

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Well I guess now I've gotta transition away from Hyprland. That fucking sucks, I just moved to it a month or so ago and really like the workflow. Anyone have suggestions for alternatives? Or I could just go back to KDE.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I work for a fascist. He's my father. Fox is on his TV in his office beside mine right now. I suppose most would hate me if they knew that without knowing I cancel his vote out every time.

This might be a similar kind of situation.

[–] bss03 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I think there's a fundamental asymmetry between receiving resources from persons you disagree with and providing resources to persons you disagree with. As long as your tasks aren't doing fascism, I think it's fine to get paid by (i.e. take money away from) fascists. But, no matter what you might get from persons with bad politics, if you transfer resources to them, they are going to use those resources to pursue those bad politics.

(BTW, Fox isn't right-wing enough for the real fascists; too many facts. OAN is what they watch, I think.)

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Agreed- you'd have to also know the type of mad sh*t that comes out of his mouth for confirmation. In this case you may have to take my word for it.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Did the author bother contacting them first before treating them like utter garbage and trying to rile up a public lynch mob? Just because something is well known to you doesn't make it well known to everyone. If there are no alternatives with the feature set you are looking for, then sometimes you even have to overlook questionable authors, sort of like Lemmy. If it's open source and has a license that allows forks, it doesn't matter that much.

You use open source because of functionality. It didn't used to be too long ago when people bothered to prove other people wrong through example instead of persecution. If you never convince people they are wrong, you just favor them creating and being in as much of an echo chamber as yourself. Even when they can't be convinced, there are other people listening to the conversation.

We support open source software (and hardware), and partner with developers and maintainers across the ecosystem. We deliberately create a big tent, because we want open source software to win. We don’t partner based on individuals’ or organizations’ beliefs, values, or political stances outside of their alignment with us on increasing the adoption of open source software.

Even just from looking at it from a practical standpoint, it would sink just about any company if they have to go full FBI investigation for every single member. If you agree with OP so much, then why do you not agree with OP?

perhaps it is indeed best to let it rest for now. i’ll certainly sleep on it now! :slight_smile:

Some people want to watch the world burn bridges.

[–] bss03 7 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

Did the author bother contacting them first before treating them like utter garbage and trying to rile up a public lynch mob?

Yes, the community.frame.work is the preferred method for asking questions to Framework (see: https://frame.work/support), and the first post makes a few statements about non-Framework persons/projects and Framework has sponsored, and asks one question to Framework.

So, if you'd read the damn post, you'd know this is exactly how Framework asks to be engaged.

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[–] nroth@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

Projects are not their authors. Please give the politics a rest. I've had enough of politics lately.

[–] Waryle@jlai.lu 19 points 5 hours ago

Wether you like it or not, some people don't have the luxury to stop fighting, even more so right now with so-called democratic governments that brutalize, lock up and torture people for their opinions, their sexuality or their skin color.

Ignore these debates if you wish, and disconnect from social networks if you need to rest. But don’t call for people to stop fighting when their very existence is put at risk by people like DHH, that Framework decided to support.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 hours ago

Sadly, the official discord server appears to also be a cesspool. So the community is also not that great

Which sucks, because omarchy seems to be quite nice

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