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The trouble with these FOSS phones is support from banking, payments, and government apps, which are also the main things that can't be run from a laptop. They usually also require NFC support, and that implies having the right kind of security certificates that these organisations recognise as well.
Yep, there are also development tools missing (at least at the level Android and iOS have them) and the motivation for developers to support yet another platform with no users (at least initially). A good example is Microsoft which thrown awful lot of money and resources at Windows Phone only to give up eventually. OTOH it'd be interesting if i.e. EU decided to support a new phone/OS, that'd certainly help with those delicate apps at least.
A good example is Microsoft which [threw an] awful lot of money and resources at Windows Phone only to give up eventually.
I just want to point out that they started or bought themselves into a Windows phone idea no less than three times before giving up, ruining Nokia in the process.
Oh. And some of the Nokia handsets were gorgeous.
They trick is to do what MS did in the early years, provide an API layer for compatibility.
No reason they couldn't throw on an Android API layer specifically for targeting things like banking apps, etc,(maybe not games).
Phones have significant power these days.
The Chinese government has thrown its weight behind Huawei's HarmonyOS. I wonder what the EU will do?
With current (and in general) EU leadership I wouldn't be optimistic as they don't understand any of it.
You can do your banking on any web browser, including mobile web. You do not need a god damn app for everything. NFC antennas are supported on credit/debit cards that have no screens or CPUs, certs are handled by the non-client device, so it sure as fuck will work on any hypothetical FOSS phone. This is a dumb as fuck take.
I'm glad you have all this figured out!
There's zero technical reason to need an app to perform HTML presentation.
That's all an app does anyway - use current web tech to present a page.
Try Hermit or Native Alpha, both present websites as apps, and work very well.
To that end, I use apps like Hermit and Native Alpha, which make an app-like experience for any website.
They should team up with other projects like Ubuntu Touch, SailfishOS, GrapheneOS, PostMarketOS, etc, at least for the base OS and device drivers. This would mean a lot more hardware available, and some pressure on manufacturers to be compatible. One project I'm really interested on is the Liberux Nexx.
I know this is a bit too hopeful, but if we don't get at least some of the general public on our side and put pressure on manufacturers then it really won't happen.
I don't see this happen, sadly. I mean yes, few enthusiasts will jump aboard, but that will be it. I'd go with AOSP modified in a way that can run google services and their apps in isolated mode, which at least GrapheneOS is doing (if I'm not mistaken).
GrapheneOS really needs something like that, since Google stopped shipping drivers and locks down Pixels now. Maybe some collaboration could help here