Your average age of the original antifa is 98 years old - WW2 veterans
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You think fascism is that young?
Refer to these comments:
https://lemmy.world/post/37091008/19852007
Then tell me what you think fascism is and we can talk.
Eta: I suspected by this first comment this was going to be a pointless conversation and it was
https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism
Following history, fascism first came about and a named ideology in WW1, not WW2. Whole it brewed and came to a head in ww2, it was first really spearheaded by Italy in WW1 and the early 20th. Which then spread to Germany and was embraced.
Okay, but this is my comment:
Your average age of the original antifa is 98 years old - WW2 veterans
As far as I know, the first people to physically fight against fascism are WW2 veterans. Of course, antifa does not imply only physical fighting, but in context here of the US Govt labeling antifa a violent terrorist organization, it makes sense to bring up the first physical antifa fighters were fighting at the US Govt's demand against fascism.
Technically the first person to beat the shit out of Gabriele D’Annunzio was the first person the physically fight fascism
Well, I did specify average age, but your comment was funny af
Special mention that person
Again, the original ones would be WW1 vets
WW1 wasn't fought against fascism. Italy wasn't fascist then either
From your own linked source above:
fascism, political ideology and mass movement that dominated many parts of central, southern, and eastern Europe between 1919 and 1945
Italy’s fascist movement also began after World War I, although it achieved power in the mid-1920
Fascist parties and movements came to power in several countries between 1922 and 1945
(For context, WW1 ended in 1918)
Although I'm sure many WW1 vets later became antifascists.
The beaches of Normandy on D-day were full of antifa members...
Authoritarians misunderstanding history? Who could have thought?
There is probably some nuance between KPD Antifaschistische Aktion, SPD Iron Front, and WW2 Resistance antifa, but none of that is relevant to modern discussions about American Antifa.
The most important thing to note about KPD, SPD, and the resistance during 1930s-1940s is about violent resistance to fascists rising to power. My hypothesis is that political violence is unproductive before rule of law breaks down, but then becomes the only option after rule of law breaks down.
Those who make peaceful protest impossible make violent revolution inevitable
Fuck I've grown some serious hate for white Americans since 2016.
What does white have to do with anything? You do realize most people opposing this movement are also white...?
Hating people for their skin color will surely show those racists.
You're not wrong but seeing as how white Christian nationalism is the driving force behind what we're seeing right now let's not pretend like it has nothing to do with anything either. We can't ignore that aspect.
“Hate” can exist in all colors.
Don’t bring yourself down to the same level as the fascist, friend.
what a racist piece of shit.
edit:
if you don't have a problem with
Fuck I've grown some serious hate for white Americans since 2016.
but have a problem with
Fuck I've grown some serious hate for black Americans since 2016.
you might just be a racist piece of shit.
Founding fathers were antifa
Yeah... no. White America is pretty much the spiritual godmother of fascism.
Nazis literally looked to some of America's founding fathers and the Confederacy for inspiration.
The confederacy was also defeated by Americans
Yes, but the the cowardly founding fathers were nowhere to be seen.
(I said nothing about "Americans")
With Nietzsche as the godfather
I'm not familiar with that; what's the relationship between Nietzsche and fascism?
Nietzsches sister was a fascist and claimed her brother was too (edit: after his death). A cursory glance from the Nazis showed them the concept of the Übermensch so they ran with it, but there’s not actually much there to support fascism. Nietzsche was a dick and there are all sorts of horrible things he wrote about non white men, but he wasn’t really a Nazi.
If I've got my Nietzsche right, then wouldn't the idea of Ubermensch as something you can become rather than something you are not really line up with fascism anyway? Seems like they just took a word that sounded cool if anything.
Yeah, but the thing about fascists is, they’re dumb, so they didn’t think about it any further.
There's a ton in Nietzsche to support fascism, starting with his virulent hatred of democracy, socialism, and liberalism.
He is simply the most important philosopher for the creation of fascism, including Giovanni Gentile, who gave Mussolini all his ideas.
That's not to say he was a fascist himself, for example he absolutely hated nationalism and that's kind of a requirement, or there isn't any value in his works, I think there's actually a decent amount in there for any kind of attempt at self actualization and rejecting victim mentality, but he's definitely what you might call a proto-fascist thinker.
Keep in mind that there's more kinds of fascist than Nazis. There's even more kinds of Nazi than anti-semitic Nazis.
How about a new synonym? Antifa just triggers all the people that didn't understand what it means. They think it means devil worshipping terrorists or something like that. It's not winning at this point. Maybe that's a good thing, 😂.
Just say Against Fascism, and don’t let anyone abbreviate it. When they complain, ask, “are you pro-fascism?”
The problem is that now, they are
Antifa is the modern version of the Soviet kulaks, which was their contemporary version of medieval witches. There are no shortage of historical examples of people making up groups that dont exist in reality to be afraid of, and thereby justify extreme and depraved actions against their countrymen. Anti-facism, anti-communism, or anti-christian, the social justification is pretty much irrelevant. Its all just an excuse for people in power to label anyone they want for execution. Its literally a witch hunt
His head looks bloated
af - short for antifa. 'rats, foiled again'
...according to him, they were...