When Proton has a single app available on native F-Droid wirh zero anti-features, not from a different repository,conly then will I use their services. I don't use anything from them now. No Protonmail, no VPN, I don't use them.
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For some use cases, perhaps. I do trust them to keel over as soon as anything looking like an authority sends a request. I don't trust them to be as good as their marketing.
No news about scams or particularly evil policies yet, which is far better than many providers.
No, mainly because they're pumping out too many services. Also free VPNs just sound really sketchy to me.
Actually... this is the only internet privacy company that I trust. I just hope that they start to deliver new products and apps faster... especially on Android, so that we can de-Google our lives as much as possible.
Do you trust Proton?
For starters, such a question is coming at it from the wrong perspective. One should have trust in the software -- if such sowtware is, indeed, trustworthy -- and not in the entity that created it. If one seeks privacy, then they should be of the mindset that every entity is malevolent.
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more than google
Why is anyone using email anymore? (He said with a straight face)
Personally, email exists solely for merchant receipts, and IRS collection notices. I don't use email with any family or friends. Matrix, signal, session, most any messenger but I prefer e2e.
Maybe I'm internetting wrong.
My friend doesnt have a smartphone, so we comnunicate via email ^^
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No, and I never will
I feel the same OP. There's no good reason for it but I just don't trust them. I have no idea why.
Ill get straight to the question: what should i use? I use proton currently but they are pretty sus.
Ill get straight to the question: what should i use?
Are you referring to email?
I thought it was obvious from the context but ues
In that case, the email provider that you use makes little difference at all. Because of the way that email works, it will always be visible in plain text (unless manually encrypted through PGP) by a third party other than the recipient at some point. There is of course the exception of, for example, direct communication happening between two Proton Mail accounts, but this is really hardly worth mentioning in any practical sense.
The long and short of it is that email should never be used for secure communications.
Skiff looks cool
Fastmail looks nice in terms of features/cost - it is also owned by the people who run it, which is a big green flag.
But I am in the same boat, looking for a new service, haven't made a switch yet
it is also owned by the people who run it
The ownership of a service, ideally, should make no difference to that service's trustworthiness.
That makes absolutely no sense - at the very least, this is unimplementable for an email provider.
I am trusting someone for my data. Ownership belonging to the people running it, who just want to make a living, has the meaning that our interests are better aligned than a multinational ad agency or a nation state whose subject I not even am. That relationship is more healthy, the contract is clearer and more balanced.
at the very least, this is unimplementable for an email provider.
If one ignores the collection of metadata, then this is the very purpose of PGP.
I am trusting someone for my data
The point that I am trying to make is that one should never have to trust someone with their data -- if all data is encrypted, for example, from a privacy perspective, it really doesn't matter where it is stored. Of course, metadata can still be gathered, but that is, in my opinion, a lesser issue, and the user has some, if not complete control over it.
I should also say that it depends on what you mean by "trust". My response, and original comment are under the assumption that "trust" is referring only to privacy.
After the WhatsApp scandals, my trust in encryption is limited. I'm not a mathematician (which is a goddamn shame), and if there is a backdoor in the mathematics themselves, I wouldn't be able to catch it even if I read the source code. And there is always the possibility of decryption by quantum computers....
So where we store our data is very important, even if it is decrypted. Encryption is just a secondary defense, the primary is limiting the accessibility to the data itself. And where you store the data, and to whom you allow access, determines the accessibility
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I trust them. Yes, sometimes their marketing is unethical, but I think these are just miscalculations.
I would think if someone's up to some actual shady shit that they don't want to draw the attention of any authorities, they'd be better off using a combination of several of the most popular web mail accounts, like Gmail, and manually encrypting the message before pasting it in or something I dunno, just bc it seems like surveillance systems become less effective with more collection volume, and Gmail has a lot of users
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