It's such a complicated situation that I'd be hesistant to endorse anything or anyone in this war. Nothing excuses the horrible terrorist attacks, but they're sort of the logical consequence of people living inside the living hell that Israel turned the Gaza strip into. Also letting everyone there, including innocent people, starve by blockading the area as well as calling them "human animals" is not exactly something I can get behind.
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Yeah I agree with this. Both sides have committed atrocities. The innocent people caught in the middle suffer.
Yep. No decent person supports Hamas' actions. But no one should be surprised this happened, either. Desperate people do desperate things and support groups that can effect change, even if their methods are awful. Fear for your family's lives is an incredible motivator.
I place most of blame for this on Netanyahu's and greater Israeli government's policies of genocide that has been going on for decades.
greater Israeli government’s policies of genocide that has been going on for decades.
If Israel had started to "genocide" the Palestinians 20 years ago, then the conflict would have been over 19 years and 11 months ago due to a lack of Palestinians. Yes, no side is innocent here, but the situation would be a lot worse if there were a different balance of power.
I understand not wanting to see the word genocide used lightly but your argument seems to boil down to
"it's not genocide because they're not done yet".
Surely that wasn't what you meant?
they’re not done yet”.
Because they didn't start yet. Israel could wipe out the Palestinians within weeks if they wanted to. But they haven't done that. Hence it's proven that there's no genocide going on. It's a good old case of "if I wanted you dead you'd be dead already".
So you do mean that a genocide has been happening when a people is wiped out? That’s not the definition, please look it up.
I did. Maybe you should read it as well. The definition crucial portion here is that you need an intend to exterminate out a people and take actions in that direction, typically murder. That's why you could actually argue that the Hamas is committing genocide. After all wiping out the Israelis is their goal.
But it's moronic to accuse someone of having the intend to do something after they had more than half a century opportunity to do so and didn't.
Same. I'm not really happy with the quickness to fly the Israeli flag.
Fully agree. It's just horrible all around.
That's fortunately not how it works. Yes, bad situations make bad decisions more likely, but they don't make them mandatory. Just like the Second World War wasn't the "logical conclusion" to the treaty of Versailles, beheading babies isn't the logical conclusion to closed borders.
You shouldn't forget that the situation of the Palestinians is magnitudes better in the Wesbank. Because they're - more or less- peaceful there.
It actualy makes more (as in still almost none) sense to blame the situation with the settlments on Hamas. If they never started firing rockets Israel would have been sanctioned out of stealing land long ago.
the logical consequence of people living inside the living hell that Israel turned the Gaza strip into
Which could be considered a logical consequence of Hamas using every last bit of breathing room they get to launch fresh attacks on Israeli civilians. As this last round of terror well attests. As you say, taking sides is impossible when everyone regularly steps over the line, and if we're to hope to be decent people ourselves, we should unequivocally condemn violence, oppression, murder & terror regardless of perpetrator.
Finally someone who feels like me, i dont feel comfortable taking sides
“Did the commission put the Palestinian flag up when the IDF shot teenagers in the ankles last week? Or when they killed journalist Shireen Abu Akleh? What Hamas is doing is terrible – but is it any different to what the IDF does every week?” the official said.
Exactly this. Hamas must be condemned, but the west shouldn't "stand in solidarity" with Netanyahu.
They are murdering each other, i dont see a side to stand with in this conflict. They both suck.
Major "are we the baddies?" vibes.
Better late than never, I guess.
First remove Hamas, then remove Netanyahu. He has been in power for way too long, and the only way it happens is with corruption. Borderline dictatorship. No idea why they don't have term limits.
They have. It's one term. But Netanyahu isn't president, he's prime minister. Prime ministers typically don't have term limits because their offices doesn't come with that much power and are easy to remove. Parliament can elect a new one any day. Netanyahus power comes from his party following him. And that's not something you can put term limits on.
Yes, duh. You are working for Al Jazeera. oh wait