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Jason Bassler | @JasonBassler1

Big Brother just got an upgrade.

Starting December, Amazon’s Ring cameras will scan and recognize faces. Don’t want to be in their database? Too bad — walk past a Ring and your face can be stored, tagged, & analyzed without consent.

One step closer to total surveillance.

[Image: A Ring doorbell camera mounted on a brick wall. A digital overlay shows facial recognition scanning a person's face with grid lines. Text on the right reads "Amazon's Ring Adds Facial Recognition to Home Security" with additional text below.]

6:00 PM | Oct 4, 2025

Source: https://x.com/JasonBassler1/status/1974640686419857516

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[–] Naich@lemmings.world 156 points 5 days ago (8 children)

This feels like it should be illegal in the EU.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 106 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Swede here, our laws disallow private security cameras from filming public areas.

The law is so broad that it interfered with dashcams, disallowing them for years.

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[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 46 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Everyone is so obsessed with surveillance. My uncle has a Ring and even if I told him about this, he wouldn't care; he wants to know who walks past his house. Now the cops will know whether he lied to them because they can subpoena Ring for their records. People are literally giving away their rights for the convenience of not answering the fucking door

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The depressing part is that even if you don’t own or use Ring, you will be in their database because those cameras are everywhere. The populace has completely given up all their privacy and have done it willingly.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 15 points 5 days ago

Not only willingly, they've fucking paid for it.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 10 points 5 days ago

The depressing part is local self hosted alternatives exist like Ubiquiti unifi, all their cameras store locally to a hard drive on your property with all local processing.

[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Great, my downstairs neighbor has one of these things that everyone has to walk by when going in or out of the main building. Why she needs one in an apartment building with a locked main door that you have to unlock yourself for guests is a mystery to me.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

Simple - Because she doesn't trust the strangers living in the building any more than the strangers on the outside. I don't blame her one bit. In my lifetime, I've seen countless stories of women being raped and/or murdered by other tenants and the complex 's own security.

In the olden days, before electricity, I used to be friendly with a neighbor, and she became convinced that someone was sneaking into her apartment when she was at work, and stealing her underwear and prescription meds. She took a day off because she was under the weather, and one of the maintenance guys, who was always overly-friendly, unlocked her door, and walked right in.

It turned out that he'd been warned about this before, and he was fired. But if she, or other neighbors, had Ring cameras, they would have caught on to him immediately.

[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A camera inside her apartment would have the same results without invading the privacy of every other tenant in the building.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

In that specific case, but most people want to identify people BEFORE they enter their promises. I'm not opening my door to any cops, for instance, unless they can slide a warrant under the door.

You are missing the point entirely. There are about a million reasonable reasons someone would want to have a doorbell camera, and they have every right to them. The owner of the camera isn't violating your privacy, AMAZON is doing that by collecting the data from a privately-owned source who hasn't given permission to hijack data from their device.

Don't be mad at the tenant for protecting their safety, be mad at Amazon for exploiting that reasonable fear, encouraging people to get Ring cameras, and then stealing the data they collect.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Is it too much to ask for a doorbell camera to operate like a doorbell? We've had peepholes on doors that can be opened and checked when needed for years with no problem, why do we suddenly need constant surveillance of the public commons? This is also on the owner for buying into the scare tactics.

IMO it should be flat out illegal to have any permanent camera that monitors a public space. I don't consent to have a stalker track when I enter and leave my home, I won't consent to have a neighbor do the same.

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[–] groet@feddit.org 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

In the olden days, before electricity, I used to ...

Are you like 200 years old?

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[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 days ago

Fair enough. My downstairs neighbor can get a doorbell cam that records locally then.

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Not in Illinois it won't. The states attorney will have Amazon for lunch.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_Information_Privacy_Act

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago

In EU this is also illegal

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 46 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I went to my sister's house yesterday, she lived in a gated community and to visit i have to let them take a picture of my face and then scan the cam for access. i thought that's extremely obnoxious. This is far worst.

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 36 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, no. I'd be inviting my sister to visit me instead.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 17 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Yeah this has to be super inconvenient for the residents. I imagine many delivery services, DoorDash, instacart, will refuse to do this bullshit. Forcing the resident to meet them at the gate, or just not receive service at all. I would be pressuring my HOA to end this policy.

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We need to normalize spray painting the lenses on these things, as well as painting "big brother" on doorways of those that own them. If you enable fascism, you should expect some minor vandalism.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

You could start by sending them a letter that informs them of this occuring and how it impacts the world around them before you skip straight to vandalism. I'm sure a lot of people just never considered the extent of that data that is being shared so much as they figured only they would have access to the footage.

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[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't know if it is the same brand, but my morning walks are cheered on by an increasing chorus/wave of "hello, you are currently being recorded". Weird dystopian vibes.

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[–] rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And you're always seen as a "weirdo" or "crazy" or maybe even a thief if you want to opt out with a mask.

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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 27 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Need to normalise IR and UV LED strobe flares, blind those CCDs.

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[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 17 points 5 days ago (4 children)

We need an anti-camera movement in this country

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago

I don't really think cameras are all that bad, the bad thing is the centralization. If someone is willing to record local-only for their own security I see nothing wrong with that.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Americans are fucking weird, they piss and moan about speed and red light cameras, and claim they are unconstitutional. However, the Ring shit is good to go.

[–] shininghero@pawb.social 9 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Ring cameras don't toss a fine at you for walking past them too quickly.

Also, where are people complaining about red light cameras, so I can avoid taking my bike or car anywhere near there? It's probably a vocal minority, but I'd prefer to know and cover my ass. Just in case.

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[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ran into this one Halloween a few years ago. Fuckers had Halloween decorations out, seeming welcoming, and when my kid went up to the door they used their ring camera to make fun of him. Once society falls in the next year or two, that's where I'm going first.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago

For legal reasons, he jusut told me in PM that he will go there to get more candy. He will take ALL their candy and EAT it in front of the ring camera.

[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

I’m very happy with my ubiquiti doorbell. It records to a local NVR on my network. No cloud for this guy!

[–] raid_dad@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I’ve been telling anyone that will listen about my ubiquiti setup. Storing the video data locally is the only scenario that I’m comfortable with. I can still remotely log into my network and check camera footage, but no one else has access to it.

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[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Given any large database this is going to be a massive problem.

Did someone steal your package?

Do you want to know who did it?

Will you settle for knowing which of the 385 people in the country look like your villain? Some of them may even be close enough to be falsely accused!

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[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So what happens to images of your face when they're stored? Who tf really knows. We do know these oligarchs will literally try to exploit and profit from literally anything and everything they get access to.

Some countries that aren't treated like a state run corporation are actually letting citizens copyright their own faces for their protection.

Dutch MPs want citizens to own the copyright to their faces

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[–] Defectus@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This isn't legal where I live. It's not allowed to record public spaces

[–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Same here. All private cameras that record or process data from a public space need to be announced on entrance of a property. Though now that i think about it, idk how ring got passed that law to begin with in 99% of its use cases..

( if its a front door that can only view private property its fine iirc, and if it has public space like roads its a nono )

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[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Like I needed more reasons to never leave the fucking house.

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[–] primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Set anything with a ring camera on it on fire. It is the enemy.

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 7 points 4 days ago

Luckily I live somewhere where they will have to hide it

[–] RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Maybe we should bring back covid masks as a privacy/fashion statement now?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sorry, that's illegal now

876.12 Wearing mask, hood, or other device on public way.—No person or persons over 16 years of age shall, while wearing any mask, hood, or device whereby any portion of the face is so hidden, concealed, or covered as to conceal the identity of the wearer, enter upon, or be or appear upon any lane, walk, alley, street, road, highway, or other public way in this state.

It's part of the big campaign to disrupt criminal anarchy, treason, and other crimes against public order

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[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My parents have one of these. 💀

Guess I'll be going into their place through the garage lmao

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Yall gonna stop paying companies so you can't help build the surveillance state? No? Awesome...

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