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Looking for a community for AI skeptics that is more actively moderated than /c/fuckai (startrek.website)

submitted 5 months ago by Kirk@startrek.website to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

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/c/fuckai has two dozen mods but ironically only time I've ever seen them take action on anyone was when they removed my post asking for recs for a community with more active moderation (lol)

I'd like to discuss generative AI from a highly skeptical perspective but with higher standards of quality and without all the mouth-frothy raging and bad memes of /c/fuckai.

Does anywhere else like that exist on the fediverse? I don't care if it's small/underutilized. And no I'm not interested in creating it myself.

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[–] Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Wrong community (try !fediverse). Locking.

[–] tal@olio.cafe 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You can search all Threadiverse communities on https://lemmyverse.net/communities.

EDIT: One place you might try would be !futurism@lemmy.ca. Not much going on there at the moment, but as per its description:

A place to discuss the ideas, developments, and technology that can and will shape the future of civilization.

That's not specific to AI alone, much less pessimistic views, but how technologies like it will impact society would be in scope.

EDIT2: As to moderators being active, there's not presently much there to moderate. One mod seems to have been inactive for two years, but @troyunrau@lemmy.ca looks to be alive, commented somewhere three days ago. And there aren't any memes or rage-stuff presently on there, if that's what you're hoping to have moderated away.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 2 points 5 months ago

Thanks for the suggestions!

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Your quest is flawed from the outset.

You should be looking for a community to honestly and openly discuss AI, not one with a prescribed viewpoint from the outset.

The fuckai and fuckcars and fuckwhateverelse communities can be satisfying but they are fundamentally biased, and tend to reinforce self righteous viewpoints that are emotionally satisfying in the short term, but reductively mischaracterize the situation and motives involved to the point that it leaves people with an angry, hollow, and unsatisfying perspective on the world.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website -4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I do not consider critical thinking skills to be a "viewpoint". I consider them a requirement for intelligent conversation.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're not thinking critically when you start from a conclusion. That's the opposite of critical thinking. That's literally just continuing to believe and not question something.

If you don't want honest advice then ask an AI for an answer, they're programmed to butter you up and reinforce your bubble.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 2 points 5 months ago

You’re not thinking critically when you start from a conclusion.

Agreed

That’s the opposite of critical thinking.

Agreed

That’s literally just continuing to believe and not question something.

Agreed

[+] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

There isn't a way to talk with AI zelots in a positive way.

AI may not be a totally useless tool, but any implementation so far has been detrimental to human societies in every measurable way.

It's not possible to support AI currently if you don't agree with the effects it has on society.

So it's better to try to increase resistance to it in any way possible, including not being willing to concede anything to zelots who don't give a fuck how it breaks the world.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

There isn't a way to talk with AI zelots in a positive way.

So in your mind there is no middle ground people who feel somewhere between "AI boosting zealot" and "fuck AI it's terrible in literally every single way"?

If you honestly believe that then you've already spent too much time with simple minded communities that only deal in absolutes.

AI may not be a totally useless tool, but any implementation so far has been detrimental to human societies in every measurable way.

Sweeping broad statements like this are almost always incredibly easy to disprove. If you're talking about AI technology in general, of which LLMs are just one facet, then you can look at the protein structure work of Deep Mind which has literally revolutionized biomedical engineering by predicting the protein structures for hundreds of thousands of proteins, whereas previously predicting the structure of a single one would take a full research PhD.

Even if you're just talking LLMs there are a myriad of benefits from them being integrated into assistive technology, note taking for medical professionals, improved translation and transcription engines etc.

You can look for a community of ostriches who yell 'nah nah nah' while burying their heads in the sand, but you're not making a difference, you're just a bunch of birds ineffectively yelling at each other while blinding themselves to reality.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

There's no middle ground for these people.

It's like trying to meet Nazis half way, it only helps them.

There is no "convincing them to submit to reason" they have an invalid ideology and are only interested in forcing it on others.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago

Based on my experience with spaces for discussing and arguing about AI, there is a huge amount of middle ground in peoples opinions between unconditional rejection of the technology and complete denial of every problem or threat that could be associated with it. There's also many different perspectives about what solutions to those problems are a good idea or not.

There is not anything like ideological unity. Someone who is supportive of AI for anti copyright reasons is usually going to have a lot of differences of opinion with someone who thinks AI powered surveillance will solve society's problems by eliminating crime. Someone who wants strong government crackdowns on AI because they think Eliezer is right that a superintelligence will form and kill us all will disagree in many ways with someone who thinks the technology is largely a scam. This is a new thing that's causing rapid changes, so people are going to have different ideas about it.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because you're an anti-AI zealot unwilling to hear the other side so every conversation devolves into uselessness. You don't want to have a discussion, you just want people to agree with you.

Exactly what the OP you responded to is saying.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

/c/fuckai has two dozen mods

I blocked that place long ago, but randomly when I go to block someone for trolling, they mod /fuckai

Seemed pretty obvious they're pro-ai larping as the charecture of what they think people who don't like ai are like.

At least, I hope those aren't real people acting authentically.

[–] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 1 points 5 months ago

I just did a scroll through the posts returned for a search of "gary marcus" and didn't see too much. His newsletter hits a lot of the main beats if you just want occasional updates when something happens. It doesn't look too much like a channel exists though