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[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 489 points 1 week ago (27 children)

While I wouldn't wish this on anyone, it's amazing how self-destructive this is. Greta is an internationally famous activist. Flagrantly violating and abusing a person with world renown - along with dozens of other activists - is a radically stupid way to hasten international isolation.

It is well known by most in Israel that the country simply cannot function in isolation. It will lead to collapse. In this, they are giving the flotilla far more power to eventually overthrow the ruling regime.

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 218 points 1 week ago (11 children)

They just assume Uncle Sam will bail them out, no matter what. They are not wrong, much to the frustration of a large portion of the US population.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 76 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Americans are not the reliable partner they used to be.

[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Reliable enough, unfortunately.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I actually don't think that's true. One of the rare bright spots in Trump's generally unbroken record of catastrophe is that he is so unpredictable, and generally gives so little of a shit what happens to anyone outside himself, that the chances of Israel suffering some kind of great consequence and the US not bailing them out as we always do are greatly increased right now I think.

Also, yes, I think this is possibly the greatest fuckup Israel could possibly have committed right now. It may be what finally turns the tide against them, after so many decades of nothing. Outside of literally nuking Gaza or Iran or something, I honestly can't think of anything worse for them than physically brutalizing a universally popular Western media personality for literally no reason at all.

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[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 week ago

There's no assumption: it's a known fact.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 86 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They have done worse to other protestors and faced zero accountability:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie

[–] shani66@ani.social 49 points 1 week ago (3 children)

They've deliberately attacked the American Navy before and nothing came of it.

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[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 76 points 1 week ago

While I wouldn’t wish this on anyone, it’s amazing how self-destructive this is. Greta is an internationally famous activist. Flagrantly violating and abusing a person with world renown - along with dozens of other activists - is a radically stupid way to hasten international isolation.

You'd be correct most of the time, but this is Israel we are talking about. They know there won't be any consequences because claiming they did something wrong must mean you're a nazi, and even if you get over that, daddy USA is there to protect them anyway.

Israel could livestream a soldier killing Greta and they would face no consequences whatsoever.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 66 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There are reports from American doctors who worked in Gaza of Palestinian babies being regularly shot in the head.

That was reported during the Biden administration.

Israel is murdering babies, and it hasn't affected their support. Why would this matter?

[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 week ago

Palestinian babies

Plenty of people in The West^R^ don't consider them worthy of empathy, but a white woman of small stature who first became famous as a child might be a different story. We need a mass worldwide cultural shift to identifying all humans as part of the in group or we aren't going to make it through this century.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 54 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Remember when Elon Musk did a nazi salute on the world stage for all to see? Remember how we were trying to rationalize what the hell he was thinking? The simplest answer is that nazis at some point just can't help themselves and they end up saluting because they love doing it, they just need to show people who they are.

Same logic I think applies here. Yes it is self-defeating, yes, it is stupid, and yes, it is gratuitous and dangerous. But these people working Ben Gvir's prisons? This is who they are. It's horrifically simple. The people working the Israeli prison system are low level functionaries of apartheid. These are not people who think in terms of strategy etc. If they had the capacity to think like that they wouldn't be there. It's as simple as that.

/Edit: typos

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

With some of the politicians in power these days, it will be pushed as finally putting an end to her climate lies or some other bullshit culture war topic.

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[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 297 points 1 week ago (23 children)

She’s still a little kid. They made her suffer.

I think that's needlessly infantilizing her. She's 22. She's not a "little kid". I think she's old enough for her opinions to carry weight, so how is she a "little kid"?

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 112 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The youth should have their opinions respected too.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 73 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm not going to take political opinions from a 3 year old, which is about what I'm thinking when someone says "little kid". Teenagers, like she was when she got famous, can have enough context about the world that their opinions, particularly about things like sustainability, equality, etc, are valid.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I mean, I feel you, I remember aggroing over verbiage like that when I was younger, but as I am now approaching my upper 30s, I find myself referring to basically 25 yos and under as 'kids', its not necesarrily always meant in a demeaning, infantilzing way, can be meant more in the sense of...

... 'has their whole life ahead of them still, it shouldn't be marred or maimed or traumatized this early' /

/ 'they are adults technically yes, but they have far less experience than most other adults' /

/ 'they are too young to be beset by such cruelty and hardship, there should be other adults being better adults such that these awful things do not happen.'

I guess what I am trying to say is it becomes a kind of genuine, broad protective connotation, not trying to be belittling, moreso a lament that the world has failed.

Maybe call it a bungled attempt at intergenerational solidarity.

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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I absolutely think of 22 as a little kid, but I was there when the last Woolly Mammoth died, so it’s somewhat relative.

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[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 158 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Israel is a fucking terrorist country. IDF is a new SS. They are new Nazi.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 week ago

"Never again" meant "Never again to us" for the ZioNazis.

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 121 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Idk why this is treated as though its so inconceivable. Greta is hated by conservatives around the world. Most countries have already condemned Israel. They only care what Trump's regime thinks. Their prisons are notorious centers of physical emotional and sexual torture. This is relatively mild treatment in comparison to many of the accounts I've read. It's still awful, but if they were going to invent a story about how vile the Israeli prison guards were, this wouldnt be noteworthy in any way. Barely even scratches the surface of the things that happen in those prisons.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

English really needs to stop calling the right wing "conservatives". We don't call them that in other languages, and they literally don't try to conserve things, but instead always seek to destroy.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 103 points 1 week ago

Throw another war crime on the fire...

Can we just jump to tribunals yet?

[–] SpontaneousCombustion@lemmy.world 93 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 147 points 1 week ago

If not, then still fuck Israël.

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

I think there were already plenty of reasons before that, so the condition is unnecessary here.

edit: maybe you really meant if(true) so it's fine.

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 90 points 1 week ago

Breaking: terrorists behave like terrorists

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 77 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Swedish gov should cut all ties for this terrorist state torturing their citizens.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 70 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Yep, I called that they would torture her, though that was 4 months back on a previous flotilla.

People downvoted that, with no explanation.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/46287947/19301735

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

There have been a lot of libs coming over to lemmy ever since the crackdowns on reddit. Among... Others

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You got three downvotes and three upvotes. It's not that big of deal.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 66 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I'm going to wait for a source I've heard of on that one.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 87 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 38 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Much better. Shitty conditions and some kind of flag parade were definitely included. The beating bit is less clear, and a bigger claim since actually producing deliberate, visible injuries would be a dangerous move on their part.

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[–] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I saw that earlier and it's really shitty that they have her in a cell that is giving her rashes (probably from bedbugs) and that they're doing some stupid thing with flags. She did nothing wrong.

Still not the same magnitude of what is described in the X "quote" which has zero sources and no way to verify their translation, for me anyway.

The X quote which has zero source that lines up with it:

“They [Israelis] dragged little Greta [Thunberg] by her hair before our eyes, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her, as a warning to others,”

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[–] don@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Congratulations Israel, I permahate you now

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[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 1 week ago

May anyone who supports Israel burn in hell for all eternity.

[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If this is true this is some crazy shit. She just wanted to feed hungry people and fight for climate change. And they do all this shit to her?

What the fuck is wrong with human beings this past decade?

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 week ago

israel has reached terminal rogue state status: they don’t give a fuck what their image is, they know they’ve got the backing of the imperial core no matter what, so they don’t even bother with excuses anymore

death to israel and to all of those who support its genocide

[–] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 35 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Al Jazeera has a different report. They say she was dragged, not beaten.

I cannot understand the language spoken in that X video, there is no translation, and there are no free publicly available no-login X.com video translation options that I can find.

Additionally I cannot find the cnn turk video from this activist on the internet anywhere but this x link.

I would be very surprised if they actually did what this post describes because everyone would be outraged. She's a sweetheart and so many eyes are watching what they do.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

because everyone would be outraged

People who heard the story and voice of Hind Rajab and weren't outraged would not be outraged by anything. They would at most do what you just did: deny the monsters who shoot kids in the head would do anything to an adult they publicly stated they will treat the way they treat Palestinians hostages.

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago
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