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I read the article, and it seems that the YouTube channel "Street Politics Canada" is run by a company called Geek Labs, run out of Cairo, Egypt. Also, the editor, "Emily T" is presumably Emily Torjusen, an American woman who moved to Cairo and works at Geek Labs.
Of course the people forwarding these videos on Facebook don't care.
This is why the CPC are so vocal about alleged Chinese election interference instead of foreign interference in general. The vast, VAST majority of foreign political influence is pro-conservative and serves to undermine anything progressive.
I think it's more about sowing discord than picking a side. It just happens that being "pro-Conservative" usually involves a solid layer of vitriol because the typical conservative agenda is either not having one other than "hating libs" or trying to roll society backwards. As for why? Either ad revenue, or they are paid by state actors (like Russia). That's my guess, anyways.
I think it’s more about sowing discord than picking a side.
That IS pro-conservative. Spreading bullshit and disinformation, increasing voter disenfranchisement and reducing turnout always benefits the conservative, authoritarian candidates.
I was at Thanksgiving dinner Sunday night:
I was a substitute teacher too maybe I should be prime Minister....
at least we're all gender fluid now!
I'm sick of him spending so much money
you got quiet anon what's the matter? What do you think?
I stopped liking him when he backtracked on electoral reform as soon as elected. But I was not at all interested in agreeing with them. I just said I literally didn't know what they were talking about and went into the other room.
It's surprisingly hard to moderate a conversation between not being particularly happy with Trudeau's decisions, and not believing he's a Communist Chinese plant out to destroy democracy, Canadian values and freedom of speech. The levels with which people treat politics like a sports team is almost as fucking insane as the shit people happily consume and regurgitate solely to justify their fear and hatred.
I'd like to believe that we can do better than Trudeau. But we can sure do a fuck load worse.
I’m so sick of defending him from all the blatant lies told about him, mainly because I’ve only ever voted LPC as and ABC option, but I can’t just let sleeping dogs lie with the more extreme lies.
I’ve been painted as a Trudeau lover by some, and that’s only because they only see the world in black and white, you’re either against him or with him.
I really really wish I could have a conversation where I could criticize some of the stuff he does/has done, and give him recognition for other things, without a political conversation turning into the same sound bites from the news, or bullshit from Facebook within 30 seconds.
Just to throw an alternate take out there, but he didn't backtrack in electrical reform, he ran the committee just like he said he would even going out of the way to give majority power to the opposition parties . The opposition parties sunk the committee report by reccomending only options that would have ensured liberals and the Senate votes would be impossible to get. They (CPC, NDP, BQ) deserve every bit of shared blame for the failure of ER in Canada.
Is there a longer-form impartial(er) treatment of this?
Hey, so this topic was near and dear to me so much so that I would follow every development, even in committee. So when it all fell apart and we lost a chance at ER it really used to grind my gears to see Trudeau get all the blame. It grinded my gears so bad that I would write long responses detailing the history to anyone that would listen. I've probably written a complete history of the damn thing 15 times.
Unfortunately, the narrative I tell wasn't widely covered in media, at least not in one long form piece, and would need to be pieced together from multiple news articles and , of course , some is just my opinion.
So, I thought I would try something new here, since I don't really have time to retell the history and find a bunch of sources (sources you are right to ask for)... I asked GPT4 to evaluate an older l, shorter, post of mine for factual accuracy, and give sources. You can read the evaluation here :
https://chat.openai.com/share/2c655851-b754-447d-b057-b869f4a9c119
I think GPT did an alright job finding sources for me, all things considered.
I appreciate your engagement as a citizen.
It absolutely was a mistake to surrender control of the committee. If opposition doesn't like it then they don't like FPTP.
In the Speech from the Throne given on 4 December 2015, at the start of the 42nd Parliament, Governor General David Johnston stated that:
To make sure that every vote counts, the Government will undertake consultations on electoral reform, and will take action to ensure that 2015 will be the last federal election conducted under the first-past-the-post voting system. (Emphasis added)
They did undertake consultations (by setting up a compromised committee), but they didn't take action.
I do concede that the Liberal Party is more to blame than Trudeau himself. I don't think he was willing to fight the party hard enough.
No they didn't take action, but I'm not sure what action they could have taken that anyone would have been satisfied with. They could have implemented the committee reccomendations (If Trudeau had forced them to), but that had big problems, not the least of which was that a referendum (including developing of the question) would not have been finished before the next election. They could have ignored the referendum bit, and implemented some proportional system, but the NDP didn't name a specific proportional system and besides that the LPC official party policy at the time was for STV/Ranked ballot or for a consensus option, but no concensus came out of committee. On top of all that you might remember that the ISG (independent Senate group) , didn't form a majority in the Senate until 2019, in 2016 /2017 when this all went on the CPC was still a big enough Senate caucus to block ER if they didn't like the terms, and the CPC didn't consider their senators independent.
Referendum:
Question 1: Given the findings of recommendations of the Electoral Reform committee which of these electoral systems should be used in the next federal election:
A STV
B MMP
C Party List (opposed by the committee)
(No option for FPTP because the FPTP system has already chosen a change)
Question 2: Should unelected bodies like the senate be able to obstruct the implementation of an electoral system chosen by referendum
Yes
No
Foreign interference into Canadian politics and inciting political extremism .... what could go wrong?
It only counts if they're Chinese and it helps the Liberals.
The Chinese play everyone. Don't forget it was the Conservatives that sold Canada out for decades.
Thing is, the Chinese government trolls anti-Liberal/Trudeau as well.
While we should obviously resist this, it's a standard consequence of globalization. Let's not pretend Canada never interferes on the affairs of other states.
Alternately, the Conservative Party could stop nominating and electing the lamest, most weasel-like amongst their ranks as party leader.
Justin Trudeau is not the best PM that we've ever had, and is beatable. The truth of it is that he has benefited from the contrast effect, because of who the conservatives keep voting in.
I'm NDP ... grudgingly support the Liberal government and don't like the conservatives at all
This is what I don't understand about the Conservatives or even the Republicans in the US .. if they could just find some smart talking 40 something rich guy that looks good on camera ... it really wouldn't matter what his or her credentials are (because they hardly matter as it is), then these right wing parties could make a killing at every election. Nothing anyone says matters any more, so it means just looks and charisma.
Yet, right wingers keep wanting to actively place the dumbest ugliest looking idiots to lead their movements and wonder why they can't gain popular support from others.
It's impossible to be smart talking and lead morons, because to lead the morons you need to spew stupid shit. Pollievre is already near the minimax of optimal intelligence for that target audience. The smartness is in saying the vote-grabbing stupid shit.
It's reminiscent of the liberals with Ignatief and Dion.
Picking someone that the party likes is fine and well, except for the small detail of needing people outside of the party to like them.
I've never voted Liberal federally that I can recall, but Dion was a rare one of their leaders I thought might not be so bad.
Yeah, that was heartbreaking.
The man is smart, but was absolutely uninspiring as leader.
He likely would have been fine as PM, but you still need to get people to want to vote for you.
PP's makeover is supposed to make him look like that. Republicans in the US do have guys of that sort. There's DeSantis (if he kept his mouth shut), Ramaswamy (37 but close enough), Will Hurd (who I know nothing about for some reason-- it's not like I specifically sought out info on the others). Democrats apparently have it out for Gen X-- nobody under 69.
the Conservative Party could stop nominating and electing the lamest, most weasel-like amongst their ranks as party leader
I submit they have no better option.
And it's not like the Oranges ran with Mr Mulcair, or the Cons would finally get that they seriously need to get their shit together.
But, side note, both the greens and blues are ruined by their extremists, and we just see the blues because the blues tend to cruelty while the greens tend to an obstructionism that their more responsible and moderate selves from the '90s would be appalled to see.
their more responsible and moderate selves from the '90s would be appalled to see.
There was nothing moderate or responsible about the CPC (Reform) in the 90s. If you go back and re-read the news from the time, you could easily confuse them with the PPC.
There has been a rise in hating Trudeau.
Say what you are thinking.
Largely because of far right/kremlin etc. narratives and the MSM being too stupid not to assist them.
Prime Minister black face has haters every where
All authoritarian dictatorships have bot farms spreading propaganda and conspiracy theories against him. You feel good allying with N Korea, Iran, Russia, China, etc?
So are you saying that he wasn't caught wearing black face multiple times ?
The only ones who seemingly haven't forgiven and moved on after the 100 sincere apologies and policies designed to target bigotry are, interestingly, RW and russian internet trolls.
So you are saying ghe was caught multiple times wearing g black face ?
So the dude is racist as hell and two faced
Shouldn't you be over on truth social?
Why? Are you saying I am lying ? That this dod not actually happen ?