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Ukraine’s president says Kremlin checking Europe’s capacity to protect its skies following new drone sightings

Vladimir Putin will expand his war in Ukraine by attacking another European country, Volodymyr Zelenskyy has predicted, and accused Russia of recent drone incursions that he said were an attempt to test Nato’s defences.

Speaking in Kyiv after his meeting with Donald Trump at the UN in New York, the Ukrainian president said Russia was preparing for a bigger conflict. “Putin will not wait to finish his war in Ukraine. He will open up some other direction. Nobody knows where. He wants that,” he said.

Ukraine’s president said the Kremlin was deliberately checking Europe’s capacity to protect its skies, after drone sightings in Denmark, Poland and Romania and the violation of Estonian airspace by Russian fighter jets. More drones were spotted on Friday night above a Danish military base, and over a Norwegian base on Saturday.

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because this one is going so well for him…

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

As the Ukrainian front is losing ground, more and more of the staging and deployment is occurring in neighboring Poland and Slovakia. Moldova just voted in a pro-EU government, after a hotly contested election in which each party accused the other of taking support from foreign neighbors. If they align with Ukraine, that opens up a new route of supply into the south, where Russians have made the largest gains in territory.

We have already seen Russian surveillance drones passing through EU airspace, with attacks running right up to the western-most border (and dipping over depending on which intelligence service you ask). We've already seen incursions into Russian territory that have implied support from Finland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuiania, with Russian digital offensives retaliating in kind.

Then throw in the wild card of Israel - a country that is taking a lot of political heat from Europe for its genocide in Gaza and the surrounding Arab states - whose PM has long since demonstrated friendly ties with Putin. Not inconceivable that Mossad and the RSB conduct joint operations on a country that has threatened sanctions on Israel over the genocide in Palestine. Hell, the recent sweeping shutdown of airlines across Europe following the condemnation of Israel at the UN is... conspicuous.

You'd think escalating the war would be suicidal for the Russian economy. And you'd think Europe doubling down on Ukraine at this point would be a recipe for more far-right parties winning elections. So they both have strong incentives to de-escalate. Nevertheless, they persist in one of the worst foreign policy follies since WW1. I wouldn't count anything out, at this point.

[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 44 points 3 days ago (3 children)

There might be some merits to this. Trump did recently, without a reason, changed his tune to protecting Ukraine again.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think it's because he's become obsessed with the Nobel Peace Prize.

[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He was always been since Obama got it. So nothing changed about that.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd say in the past few weeks he seems to have become more aggressive about it, campaigning for it demanding nominations from people.

In August there were a few things where he seemed preoccupied with his afterlife fate, seems like maybe he is keenly feeling his mortality and thinks he needs to get this peace prize thing in a hurry as a piece of maybe buying him a better outcome.

A weird twisted Trumpy way of going about it, but I think he actually wants to somehow be the 'good guy', but unfortunately he doesn't exactly even know how to be good so he's coming up short, but he's managed to change a couple of things to start spouting closer to the right message.

[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

That is all possible. Thanks for your thoughts.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

without a reason

Trump wanted to be the guy who Made A Deal with Russia and ended the war. Putin made a big show of the Alaska Summit and then delivered exactly dick-all (which - to be fair - is the smart move when dealing with Trump). At the same time, Starmer's been licking his taint in hopes of winning concessions for the UK tech industry. So now Trump's incredibly sore at being burned by Russian and Starmer-curious.

But this will only last until Ukraine starts "looking like losers" according to his right-wing media friends. I would give it a few more months before he flips back again.

[–] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 2 points 2 days ago

He massively disrespected and embarrassed Trump at the alaskan summit. It may be partly cos of that Trump has switched.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump did recently, without a reason, changed his tune to protecting Ukraine again.

It's mostly a distraction scheme to distract from internal problems, I'd say.

[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

There was ALWAYS problems even before he started. What changed?

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not going to lie. I'll laugh if it's Belarus. Seems like an easy target.

[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 111 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I'll just be over here quietly cheering "two fronts" because I'm sure it'll go well for them

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 55 points 4 days ago (6 children)

That may sound cheer worthy, but considering they very obviously can't handle even 1 front, attacking another country would have to be for a different reason, a more problematic reason.

[–] Forester@pawb.social 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (18 children)

Can you expound on the later part of your thought? I'm struggling to picture a scenario in which the Kremlin purposefully opens a second front. The purpose of these airspace raids is to saber rattle and make it so Europe beefs up its defenses and is less likely to give equipment to Ukraine and instead use it domestically.

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[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 38 points 4 days ago (6 children)

They should try their luck in Afghanistan again.

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[–] falseWhite@programming.dev 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

He's not stupid to attack a NATO member. So maybe Moldova? But then why is he testing the skies in the other end of Europe and not near Moldova? Nah, he's not going to attack anyone else.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Might be testing the skies simply for the intelligence, that is also valued by China and Iran whether or not they plan to actually do anything with the information.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Bait and switch? "Hey everyone look over here!"

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[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

He doesn't share a land border with Moldova. The most likely option is Azerbaijan. Not NATO, lots of recent disagreements, starting an alliance with Armenia and Turkey.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Azerbaijan and Armenia are about as far from being allies as two countries can be.

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Is it Cambodia?

That would suck cause they just endend that war with Armenia.

[–] silasmariner@programming.dev 25 points 3 days ago

Is this you, Ken M?

[–] mgnome@piefed.social 61 points 4 days ago

Russia isn't planning to invade Ukraine

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[–] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 55 points 4 days ago (5 children)

One guess is all that it should take, given the existing historical precedent.

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[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 40 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Moldova is for sure not safe right now.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Poland is ready for it, so probably not. Putin isn't one to start something with someone he knows can fight back. He wants a punching bag.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Like Trump and Venezuela.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 12 points 3 days ago

Then again, people around him tell him what he wants to hear. Like Ukrainians will welcome his troops in....

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

If the Russians invade Poland, the Muscovites will end up in a hornet's nest. However, I could see the asswipe, Vlad, making attempt to illegally occupy the Suwalki Gap.

[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (10 children)

But why? They can't even do one front well, Russia sucks at war

[–] orgrinrt@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I have a pet theory that Putin is attempting to get a big reaction from NATO, so that he can then internally use that as an excuse why the war in Ukraine did not end well, and why they had to ultimately concede points they earlier held they wouldn’t in the eventual peace negotiations.

Not winning against Ukraine would be shameful for him, especially after all the messaging done about Ukraine not even being a real country.

Not winning against the entirety of NATO, on the other hand, sounds reasonable and understandable. But just saying that isn’t very persuasive. He needs imagery of destroyed Russian equipment in another NATO country or something concrete like that, to show that NATO truly is involved and waging war against Russia. That’s would also justify the initial reasoning for this misguided excursion — NATO is indeed warring against us, it was all justified! See these images of dead Russians in the Baltic Sea! The flaming Russian jets! See the havoc the big bad NATO wreaks on us poor Russians! We stand no chance, we have to settle for peace, those bullies are too strong now, and they are evil in their ways! In order to survive, we must concede a bit, lest NATO comes and bombs you and your family in the night like the thugs they are! gesturing at the constant dramatized imagery of destroyed Russian equipment in some NATO region

I’m convinced the economy, despite currently running on the war, is finally slowly collapsing to the point of it being visible to the peasants, perhaps showing inconvenient signs of that with the gas shortages across Russia, whatever else they are trying to keep under wraps. I think it’s starting to get embarrassing unless something changes and they can play victim to some bigger baddie yet again terrorizing good pious Russians. Maybe they have determined they can’t keep the effects contained no longer, and the seams will start to burst soon, so they need something that justifies the peace negotiations and conceding some of their strict conditions for the peace. Otherwise the people might just start seeing how fucked they are and rise up.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Nice take, I also subscribe to the theory that the Russian narrative is a lot more important than land gains. To be able to sell an "Underdog but growing empire despite evil holding us back" narrative would definitely be useful and a good exit strategy.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Not saying this is why... but in theory if he can go through another country to do an end around on Ukraine, he can trade that other country to keep Ukraine. Or even if nato needs to defend itself, it might not spend as much on defending Ukraine. Just guesses though. And they still seem like bad reasons.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 30 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Apparently, Putin never learned to swallow your food in manageable chunks before moving on. I think he will end up choking to death.

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Fresh looting for the war chest, old Vlad the Defenestrator thinks

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