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[–] LoreSoong@startrek.website 98 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Im convinced they made search engines worse to promote AI usage.

[–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 71 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Search engines were returning shit more and more, before LLMs even existed.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

When search engine optimization becomes a target, content suffers. If Google changed their algorithm to only rank websites with high quality content instead of keyword-stuffed content, we’d see a great improvement in the quality of the internet.

[–] Grenfur@pawb.social 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The real kicker is how you even decide what quality is. A one line script that updates a driver may be a solution to your issue. A four page walkthrough that rambles and gets you to your answer but only after an hour is still a solution, but is it better quality? The issue is that you can't quantify quality. Even if you managed to for something like programming, you couldn't apply that same logic to horticulture. The issue is that quality isn't something you can stick in an algorithm.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Right, quality is not something that is easy to figure out algorithmically. But adding arbitrary rules like “content length” or “time on page” directly ruins quality by incentivizing content manipulation.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Then someone targets them for pushing their biases because they are deciding quality.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So they were enshittifying search engines in advance, so what? AI wasn't born yesterday.

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've never seen convincing arguments for that. However, if you think about it, Google wants you to stay scrolling through it forever. The more sponsored links and ads they can show, the more money they make. They didn't need to make it worse for AI, they made it worse for profit

[–] LoreSoong@startrek.website 8 points 2 weeks ago

Im encountering alot of AI created websites that explain concepts like "side effects of X pill" (a recent example) and there was basically no real medical websites in the top results, Just clearly AI using thousands of words to say nothing that I cant trust.

I was considering locally hosting a search engine to circumvent my need for them entirely. Search engine optimization seems like a nightmare, if they were trying to give me useful results. So im not sure if that would be a spend 5 hours to save 5 minutes situation.

As you and others said, Its been getting worse for years so its probably just a coincidence that its also profitable for AI.

[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't think it's intentional, but I think the sheer quantity of AI slop and web crawlers trying to train new AI models is the main problem. Good websites are blocking access to search engines to try to slow crawler traffic, while shitty websites are being made at an unprecedented speed. I legitimately don't know how you fix this as a search engine provider.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (26 children)

Literally never had this happen. Every time I have caved after exhausting all other options the LLM has just made it worse. I never go back anymore.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They're by no means the end-all solution. And they usually aren't my first choice.

But when I'm out of ideas prompting gemini with a couple sentences hyper-specifically describing a problem, has often given me something actionable. I've had almost no success with asking it for specific instructions without specific details about what I'm doing. That's when it just makes shit up.

But a recent example. I was trying to re-install windows on a lenovo ARM laptop. Lenovos own docs were generic for all their laptops, and intended for x86. You could not use just any windows iso. While I was able to figure out how to create the recovery image media for the specific device at hand, there were no instructions on how to actually use it, and entering the BIOS didn't have any relevant entries.

Writing half a dozen sentences describing this into Gemini, instantly informed me that there is a tiny pin-hole button on the laptop that boots into a special separate menu that isn't in the bios. A lo, that was it.

Then again, if normal search still worked like it did a decade ago, and didn't give me a shitload of irrelevant crap, I wouldn't have needed an LLM to "think" it's way to this factoid. I could have found it myself.

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[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

They seem to be pretty good at language. One time i forgot the word "tact" and I was trying to remember it. I even asked some people and no one could think of the word I was thinking of even after I described approximately what it meant. But I asked AI and it got it in one go.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Well there Well there is a reason the word language is in the name. Asking them general questions like this is basically their bread and butter. It's one of only things if not the only thing they are good at.

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[–] abfarid@startrek.website 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Happened to me yesterday. I have an old 4K TV, every component I used to connect to it had HDMI 2.0+ capabilities. Neither laptop nor Steam Deck would output 4K60, only 4K30. Tried getting another cable and a hub, same result. And I know that my Chromecast outputs 4K60 to this TV, so I was extra confused. In my desperation, asked GPT-5 what was I missing, and it plainly told me that those old Samsung TVs turn off HDMI 2.0 support unless you explicitly turn it on in TV settings under "UHD Color". Apparently Chromecast was doing chroma subsampling, but computers refused and wanted full HDMI 2.0 bandwidth...

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[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They are great if you know what the right answer is just don't know how to get it right now

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Asking genAI questions I already know the answer to is how I know the AI is wrong more than it is right.

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[–] CabbageRelish@midwest.social 15 points 2 weeks ago (27 children)

They’re regularly properly useful to me but it’s pointless to get in arguments in their defense. 🤷

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It doesn't generally completely figure it out but to be honest it does a much better job than google for finding the relevant key words which can then be used for a more detailed search.

[–] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago

Doesn't always help but I am unfortunately thankful it exists sometimes when I feel like giving up and it gets me on the right track.

It never gives me good code, but the text it returns can sometimes spark an idea that works.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 weeks ago

Me yesterday, except I only thought it figured it out, then found out hours later I must revert back to my workaround because it didn't really work fully and was fragile as fuck.

[–] swagmoney@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

me, vibe-debugging my Debian machine

[–] ChocolateFrostedSugarBombs@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

AI doesn't figure anything out. It guesses the next letter in the word.

[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

no offense, i understand what you are trying to say here. im not a massive fan of the implications of things like AI and its effects on society.

but oversimplifying and infantalising your enemy wont stop it from out performing you.

like i can say "all AI does it put words on a screen based on a statistical analysis and prediction algorithm based on context and available training data, and its only accurate between 95% to 97% of the time, and it lies when it doesnt know something, or wants to save power for the sake of efficiency and cost reduction"

and it would still be far more likely to give a comprehensive breakdown and step by step analysis of systems well beyond my personal understanding. way faster than i ever could.

we can chalk it up to stolen info and guessing letters, but itll still outperform most people in most subjects, especially in terms of time/results.

dont get me wrong i dont think its intelligent in the way that a human can be, or as nuanced as a human can be. but that doesnt necessarily mean it cant be forever. and the way the technology is evolving across the board, seemingly faster and faster each day. with some plateaus here and there. its hard to imagine a world where we just say "well, we tried, its a dead end, oh well" and just completely abandon it for the idea of human exceptionalism.

overall humans, as smart as they are, are also pretty fucking dumb. which is why we are ignoring things like climate change, for what are essentially IOUs made out of 1s and 0s (money). and also succumbing to a global increase in fascist ideals even though we historically know what it entails and how it ends. and its in part due to the ability of AI to manipulate the masses, in its current "primitive" state.

i dont like AI, but im not going to pretend it wont be able to replace the output of most humans, or automate most jobs, or be used to enslave us and brainwash us further than it already has.

the human mind simply cannot compete with the computational speed, and in some cases, quality, of what is, and what is yet to come.

slop it may be, but if you cover the veritable feast of human creativity with enough slop, humanity will soon have no choice but to eat it or starve. everything else will get drowned out in time.

something really fucking big would have to happen to change this outcome. ww3, nuclear war, solar flare. who the fuck knows.

but what i do know is that those in power need the system to function as is, and in newer more efficient ways, while they still need us, in order for them to have the highest potential survival rate when it all comes crashing down at the end of this century. so, we may just avoid total annihilation unless its deemed necessary for their survival. lets hope we rise up before they take that opportunity.

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