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[–] Bonsoir@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

At least they learnt from their mistakes.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 hours ago

Same with gun control legislation, it never applies to the rich or former cops.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Ill probably make this its own post but id love to hear a solution to this problem.

Cops busting down everyone's doors and ransacking their home for weapons doesn't seem like something we want. Plus, they will remove minorities defenses first, as usual, if laws get passed.

There really is no solution.

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately the founding fathers didn't envision the nation having a voting majority of morons who vote in other morons into power, but alas here we are.

But I do think their intentions were for wealthy white landowners to mostly be in control and have checks in place to stop morons from ever having a majority but that crumbled away over a few generations.

[–] LemmingOnTheEdge@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Actually, they did. The framers of the constitution didn't trust voters. There's a lot of indications, they thought voters were idiots. I find it hard to argue they were wrong.

[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 3 hours ago

Non-voters are just as idiotic as it turns out.

The fool, or the fool who follows?

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 45 points 17 hours ago

When they move away from that bulletproof glass they get into armored cars escorted by a small army of security guards.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 116 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

...While blaming the left wing for right-wing violence.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 19 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

...while wearing lapel and tie pins in the shape of AR15s.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 19 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Lapel/tie pins? It's like they aren't even taking it seriously.



Image sources: CBS and NPR articles from 28 February and 1 March 2018.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Insane!

Where do I get one of those bullet crowns? Lol

It's like a Jedi lightsaber, you have to build your own.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry betterdeadthanreddit. Gonna have to cancel you for this radical left wing comment. We’ll be seeing you in ANTIFA jail!

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 15 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Sound like less of a punishment and more of a networking opportunity.

[–] WeeneyTodd@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

That's the spirit!

[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago

I just want you to know. I saw the amount of up votes and decided not to add one.

Nice

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 35 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

No school kids there I see, they're still the targets

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 8 points 20 hours ago

...for companies selling very expensive stuff

instead of, you know, doing the obvious thing: restrict gun rights

but no, we must think of the kids! ...our future customers

[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Just shield Yourselves with children, You don't care about them anyway.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Shielding ourselves with kids sounds like a Musky idea.

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

That's giving too much credit. He probably saw the IDF doing it and thought it looked cool.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 15 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

Safety for the rich ONLY

Hmm... this makes me wonder what gun rights people think about bulletproof materials, in general. Surely, they have to be in favor of them, because otherwise, they can't defend themselves from people who wield the guns that they support.

But in that case, wouldn't that imply that they'd be fine if everybody was always outfitted head-to-toe in bulletproof armor?

But if they allowed everybody to be completely bulletproof (I'm imagining a better bulletproof armor than exists in reality here), then there would be no purpose to being in favor of guns, since guns couldn't be used to hurt anybody.

I'm talking about the second amendment types who think their right to bear arms is because they can be used against people. Obviously, people who just like hunting or target shooting or collecting guns could have different views.

But the point is, a 2A guns rights person must really, like OP said, only support limited use of bulletproof materials. It's sort of an inherent hypocrisy to these people. Well, either that, or they're against bulletproof materials and are just okay with dying for their beliefs.

[–] sausager@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Safety for the rich ONLY

That's why they hate Luigi

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Disarming ourselves, while the fascists are fascing.

It's a bold move, Cotton.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I am one of those people who tries to base their opinions on evidence. When I look at the world today, the places with strict gun control also seem to be doing better at warding off fascism. I don't see any evidence that the immense number of guns in America have slowed the spread of fascism, at all, or see any hints that they'll be a major factor in defeating fascism in the future.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The US opened up the pandora's box back in 1789, too late now. Gun debate is over, 2nd Amendment already passed. Unless you can somehow get 3/4 of states to reverse it.

(Yes I know, technically the bill of rights passed after 1789, but the debate already happened, constitution only passed because the bill of rights were promised)

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Does that sound like what we do today? Nope.

Why does the government infringe on my ability to own a machine gun or even a molotov cocktail?

It seems like the gun debate isn't over. We've constantly reinterpreted the 2nd Amendment over and over, and it will be reinterpreted further in the future.

Today, we heavily regulate machine guns but not rifles. Tomorrow, maybe we can choose to heavily regulate hand guns but not knives.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

Maybe not today. Fix the democracy first.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

STOP! You are not allowed to use sound logic in the gun debate.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

i'd say it's more to do with the populations that put in those laws than the laws themselves.

[–] F_State@midwest.social 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Gun Rights person here. Bullet Proof materials are great. Body armor is a valid personal choice. Police/soldiers have access to armor piercing ammo so your third sentence doesn't track. (Bans on civilian ownership of armor-piercing ammo is unethical)

[–] wabasso@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Honest question, is part of your motivation for upholding 2A rights the ability to overthrow the government? Because I find that one hard to fathom; could the US Gov really be overthrown? Is it based on the premise that lots of people in the military / drone operators would be part of the militia?

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

Not the user you replied to, but I'm pro 2A because I don't trust cops. I rather have my neighbors form a militia to protect ourselves. I don't exactly know my neighbors very well, but it'd be more preferrable than the cops.

A citizen's militia should just fill the role of law enforcement really.

Its not really just about fascism, I don't trust cops even if trump wasn't elected.

I had a terrible experience with cops and I do not want that to happen again, ever. No one should have to experience what I had endured.

ACAB.

"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary" -Karl Marx

[–] F_State@midwest.social 3 points 7 hours ago

In our case does it need to be overthrowing or making the price of Fucking Around too high? The police in the US are alot more respectful to large groups of armed people gathering than they are to people they feel they can night-stick without consequences. Trump & Co wants martial law so bad he can taste it but if he doesn't do it according to the sensitives of his heavily-armed base, things will turn into a shitshow. Plus, It's a universal principle to me and there are many peoples & governments that aren't the US. Would universal gun ownership have changed things for the Uyghurs, for the massacred in Myanmar, or Sudan, for the residents of Bucha, Ukraine? I think it would. Which leads to another point often lost in the argument: the main purpose of the US 2nd Amendment is for defense against foreign dangers. To allow a large force of irregulars to exist that could slow down an attack until the state or national governments could respond.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 6 points 20 hours ago

They aren’t called gun nuts for nothing.

[–] Shamber@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

Yep, nothing to see here folks

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Well phrased. A first-grader will understand that there's something wrong here.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 11 points 17 hours ago

A little more simplification and it might just be accessible to the average red state voter.

[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

Looks expensive.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You're so close to getting it.

Take this, and apply it to literally everything.

Money, food, houses, stability, security, soon even food, clean water, etc. All for them. To own it all. To control it all. To extract profit from all of us.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 20 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You’re so close to getting it.

... implying I don't already get it?

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Well then good. My mistake.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 17 hours ago

No worries!