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Almost 80% of voters believe America is ‘in political crisis,’ poll shows
(www.independent.co.uk)
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The beloved Patriot Act 20 years later.
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
Yet 50% of the 80% won't actually vote.
You've got a bunch of weasels in the hen house. Everyone's eggs are at risk
No, really?
Well you people voted for it, or rather, didn't bother to vote to avoid it.
Political Crisis created by billionaires.
By billionaires, by trump, by right wing extremists, by religious idiots, by general idiots, by...
By fascists. Don't forget them they are the same people you are talking about.
Can't talk bad about fascists in America anymore.
I'm not American so I will say it for you. MAGA are fascists, billionaires are supporting it and are thereby fascists, religious groups are all in as well; they view him as a messiah who will lead your nation to greatness, all fascists. Over 25% of your nation is outright fascist at this point.
The voters created this mess. The real argument should be for education.
Mass manipulation by social media is why we are where we are. Stupid voters have been around for all of democracy.
I mean, half of voters did. But I agree about education
Critical thinking skills and being able to form your own opinion and back it up with evidence should be taught in grade school. Most people don't get an introduction to this until college.
It’s definitely frightening how one “influencer” being killed seems to have made things worse. They not only didn’t learn from the consequences of stoking the flames of divisiveness, but keep piling on the fuel. How does it not hit them that their own actions are what is causing this crisis, and how do they not think it might have gone too far? How are they so cynically exploiting the situation without the slightest hint of awareness that “this could be me next”?
Kirk was the excuse they pounced on - the escalation was coming regardless.
People vs politicians. The people need to clean house.
What should we try doing differently?
Step one is to purge neoliberals from the Democratic party. It needed to be done about ten years ago though, but I guess now is the second best time.
I’ve been told to vote for better Dems for 25 years, while they ratfuck anyone even slightly progressive.
They either ratfuck them in the primary with some rigged primary process, or ratfuck then after the primary by allowing Dems to run independent and split the voter base, withholding endorsements, giving half hearted endorsements and when the progressive candidate loses use the outcome of their ratfucking to justify moving further right because anyone left of Nixon is “unelectable”
If one miraculously makes it through those two ratfucks, they will then do anything in their power to make sure they have as little influence as possible on the party, David Hogg found this out firsthand, or in the halls of power, like when they passed over progressives to put a cancer riddled and dying Neolib into a committee chair.
If insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, it’s not clear to me how continuing to support the Dems is going to start working. The neolibs own the party and they don’t seem very interested in divesting their power.
Maybe it’s time for a new party. The danger of splitting the vote when you are already losing and even in the face of authoritarian christofascism somehow less popular than authoritarian christofascism makes me think there’s not much to lose
The states should work together to run special elections to replace everyone in house, senate, courts and then president. Any president level decisions shall be approved by the states of the people till someone is elected…… in a very broad explanation.
I am surrounded by engineers and scientists.. more than half of them dont vote beacause " this does not affect me". Frustrates me so much. This are educated people, relatively speaking. Maybe because they are still well-off economically? I don't know. I don't understand how they are so uninterested.
Show them this video: https://youtu.be/Ame0j8jbMY4
Then tell them voting is exactly the same as discussing politics.
The engineers and scientists in my neck of the woods are very concerned about the shit that's going on. The unionized floor techs on the other hand lean far more favorably to the orange dolt.
Do you work at a shooting yourself in the foot factory or something? How the fuck could you be in a union and support Donald fucking trump or anyone associated with him?
This is pretty common in the US unfortunately. Lots of union leadership and membership both lean hard right. Part of it is due to reactionary thinking and constant propaganda, and part is due to lots of people just being fucking stupid and illogical.
This is not how it's always been.
Unions etc used to be reliably Democratic.
Over time the unions have been hollowed out and the Democratic party has increasing had an image problem.
These lower workers think that the Democrats are only pandering to "woke" problems which that population obviously doesn't think affect them(and in some cases is actually detrimental).
This is not really true but it is what they think and it's one of the reasons Trump does so well in that demographic regardless of what he does.
Absolutely. And it extends to more than just democrats. Unions have been brainwashed into thinking all progressive platforms are bad for labor, which is nuts. Have union guys in my city literally pitching about how labor socialists are anti-worker and MAGA candidates are better for them.
Hating minorities more than they hate themselves probably helps. Or naïvety. Or both.
Americans are taught since birth that if they work hard at low wages, they will eventually become billionaires.
Poor education and lack of critical thinking skills; it's not exactly uncommon. In my neck of the woods, most trades workers support the Conservatives, unionized or not
Bit late, but good.
I wonder what conclusions they will draw from it though?
That the other side is to blame. So no, it's not good. This is actually a worse situation.
Yeah this is my take away. If enough people think the political crisis is the other political party where does that actually get you because that's what this means to me.
That’s not even an opinion anymore, it’s just an accurate description of events in the country
Except a third or more of that 80% thinks the crisis is the "violent radical left antifa superpredators."
Thy aren’t thinking they’re being told. And they ain’t questioning it
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The only way out is;
- Landslide against Republicans for 2026 MidTerms.
- Landslide agains Republicans in 2028; to the point where they no longer exist.
- New progressive Democratic Party.
- Landslide against Right-Wing Democrats in 2030 Midterms
- Landslide against Right-Wing Democrats in 2032.
Fiction writing is an art.
Famously, the way out of fascism has not been through democratic means. Fascist dictators tend to rig the democratic process to the point where it is obviously no longer democratic. The US has been seeing this since the founding of the country (electoral college, gerrymandering, voter suppression, 3/5ths compromise, lack of any federal direct ballot initiatives, mass propaganda campaigns like the Red Scare, etc.), but has only accelerated as more time has gone on, but more extreme contemporary examples would be countries like Russia, North Korea, or China.
The US also has a two party state due to the first past the post voting system that only accelerates this process faster, as the two parties are both corporate parties, and no party represents the will of the workers/lower classes.
Capitalists and fascists alike will do anything and everything in their power to both maintain and expand their power. The only exceptions are when there are mass, well-organized protests/uprisings/boycotts, but the corporations/the state also controls the media and now also the majority of the Internets' communication services when "Web 2.0" started replacing less centralized services, making mass organization much more difficult.
Don't get me wrong: We are indeed fucked beyond repair.
However, we have a dying fascist autocratic president who is trying to achieve dictatorship. We don't have a dictator quite yet. And chances are he'll be dead before he achieves that goal.
We'll just become a rightwing hellhole as Vance more competently consolidates power for capital than Trump could dream of. And then the Democrats will probably barely win the presidency but it wont matter because they probably wont have the Senate, they definitely wont have the courts, and maybe even not have a majority in the House with all the gerrymandering. Nothing will get done and we'll rot and liberals and socialists will be at each other's throats too much over Trump's previous repeated victories to pull anything together to meaningfully fight back.
This is interesting. Do you know how to get out of the corpo fascist death spiral?
Organize en masse. Look at what Nepal was able to do. Also be sure to have a permenant solution to corruption that the majority can agree on. I prefer Prof. Richard Wolff's ideas personally, and I think avoiding centralized power as much as possible is of great importance.
Also have a voting system that isn't on Discord that is very hard to hack by experienced hackers. I think blockchain voting can work very well for this. I understand the word "blockchain" is associated with cryptocurrency, but that can be changed. The voting system must also be transparent. If using software, open source, cryptographically signed software is a must.
If there are three or four points/demands that can be focused on that are easy to remember, even better. Look at how Bernie was able to bring the idea of single payer healthcare to the masses. Maybe something like this:
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All businesses must be owned by the workers and run democratically.
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Hard wealth cap of $50 million, including unrealized gains, tied to inflation. Enough to comfortably retire, but not enoigh to buy political favors.
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All basic necessities such as food, water, shelter, sewage, higher education, healthcare, internet, etc. provided to everyone free of charge paid for by taxes.
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Universal basic income tied to inflation so that people who can't or don't want to work can still persue hobbies and produce art without worry about failure.
That's assuming that America is going to have free and fair elections (if at all) ever again.
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