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Almost 80% of voters believe America is ‘in political crisis,’ poll shows
(www.independent.co.uk)
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No, really?
You've got a bunch of weasels in the hen house. Everyone's eggs are at risk
Yet 50% of the 80% won't actually vote.
It's 80% of voters so they already took 1/3 of the country out.
that's too generous, this is closer to 3/4 of the country out
Well you people voted for it, or rather, didn't bother to vote to avoid it.
The voters created this mess. The real argument should be for education.
Political Crisis created by billionaires.
By billionaires, by trump, by right wing extremists, by religious idiots, by general idiots, by...
It’s definitely frightening how one “influencer” being killed seems to have made things worse. They not only didn’t learn from the consequences of stoking the flames of divisiveness, but keep piling on the fuel. How does it not hit them that their own actions are what is causing this crisis, and how do they not think it might have gone too far? How are they so cynically exploiting the situation without the slightest hint of awareness that “this could be me next”?
Kirk was the excuse they pounced on - the escalation was coming regardless.
People vs politicians. The people need to clean house.
What should we try doing differently?
Step one is to purge neoliberals from the Democratic party. It needed to be done about ten years ago though, but I guess now is the second best time.
The states should work together to run special elections to replace everyone in house, senate, courts and then president. Any president level decisions shall be approved by the states of the people till someone is elected…… in a very broad explanation.
Bit late, but good.
I wonder what conclusions they will draw from it though?
That the other side is to blame. So no, it's not good. This is actually a worse situation.
Yeah this is my take away. If enough people think the political crisis is the other political party where does that actually get you because that's what this means to me.
I am surrounded by engineers and scientists.. more than half of them dont vote beacause " this does not affect me". Frustrates me so much. This are educated people, relatively speaking. Maybe because they are still well-off economically? I don't know. I don't understand how they are so uninterested.
Show them this video: https://youtu.be/Ame0j8jbMY4
Then tell them voting is exactly the same as discussing politics.
The engineers and scientists in my neck of the woods are very concerned about the shit that's going on. The unionized floor techs on the other hand lean far more favorably to the orange dolt.
Do you work at a shooting yourself in the foot factory or something? How the fuck could you be in a union and support Donald fucking trump or anyone associated with him?
This is pretty common in the US unfortunately. Lots of union leadership and membership both lean hard right. Part of it is due to reactionary thinking and constant propaganda, and part is due to lots of people just being fucking stupid and illogical.
This is not how it's always been.
Unions etc used to be reliably Democratic.
Over time the unions have been hollowed out and the Democratic party has increasing had an image problem.
These lower workers think that the Democrats are only pandering to "woke" problems which that population obviously doesn't think affect them(and in some cases is actually detrimental).
This is not really true but it is what they think and it's one of the reasons Trump does so well in that demographic regardless of what he does.
Americans are taught since birth that if they work hard at low wages, they will eventually become billionaires.
Hating minorities more than they hate themselves probably helps. Or naïvety. Or both.
Poor education and lack of critical thinking skills; it's not exactly uncommon. In my neck of the woods, most trades workers support the Conservatives, unionized or not
That’s not even an opinion anymore, it’s just an accurate description of events in the country
Except a third or more of that 80% thinks the crisis is the "violent radical left antifa superpredators."
I think the one thing both sides are fully aware of, we live in vastly different realities.
Superduper predators, raawr
The only way out is;
- Landslide against Republicans for 2026 MidTerms.
- Landslide agains Republicans in 2028; to the point where they no longer exist.
- New progressive Democratic Party.
- Landslide against Right-Wing Democrats in 2030 Midterms
- Landslide against Right-Wing Democrats in 2032.
Fiction writing is an art.
Famously, the way out of fascism has not been through democratic means. Fascist dictators tend to rig the democratic process to the point where it is obviously no longer democratic. The US has been seeing this since the founding of the country (electoral college, gerrymandering, voter suppression, 3/5ths compromise, lack of any federal direct ballot initiatives, mass propaganda campaigns like the Red Scare, etc.), but has only accelerated as more time has gone on, but more extreme contemporary examples would be countries like Russia, North Korea, or China.
The US also has a two party state due to the first past the post voting system that only accelerates this process faster, as the two parties are both corporate parties, and no party represents the will of the workers/lower classes.
Capitalists and fascists alike will do anything and everything in their power to both maintain and expand their power. The only exceptions are when there are mass, well-organized protests/uprisings/boycotts, but the corporations/the state also controls the media and now also the majority of the Internets' communication services when "Web 2.0" started replacing less centralized services, making mass organization much more difficult.
This is interesting. Do you know how to get out of the corpo fascist death spiral?
Organize en masse. Look at what Nepal was able to do. Also be sure to have a permenant solution to corruption that the majority can agree on. I prefer Prof. Richard Wolff's ideas personally, and I think avoiding centralized power as much as possible is of great importance.
Also have a voting system that isn't on Discord that is very hard to hack by experienced hackers. I think blockchain voting can work very well for this. I understand the word "blockchain" is associated with cryptocurrency, but that can be changed. The voting system must also be transparent. If using software, open source, cryptographically signed software is a must.
If there are three or four points/demands that can be focused on that are easy to remember, even better. Look at how Bernie was able to bring the idea of single payer healthcare to the masses. Maybe something like this:
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All businesses must be owned by the workers and run democratically.
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Hard wealth cap of $50 million, including unrealized gains, tied to inflation. Enough to comfortably retire, but not enoigh to buy political favors.
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All basic necessities such as food, water, shelter, sewage, higher education, healthcare, internet, etc. provided to everyone free of charge paid for by taxes.
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Universal basic income tied to inflation so that people who can't or don't want to work can still persue hobbies and produce art without worry about failure.
That's assuming that America is going to have free and fair elections (if at all) ever again.
I admit that that is a pretty big assumption, but I do have faith in the people.
It may be misplaced faith.
What if 8 years of election fraud bullshit was the setup to poison the waters when they actually use the techniques?
This is Russian psyops 101: play/fund both sides so when both are revealed corrupt, the populace is too confused to know what’s real.
So republicans say, for years, “Your Russian election claim is a hoax!” And then we get, “They stole the 2020 election!”
Now we have more statistical information showing signs of manipulation, but because Republicans have called out their opponent as manipulating elections, researchers are afraid too report facts based on voting tabulation.
We are in crisis. The country is socially fractured. We’ve been manipulated by our enemy (Russian oligarchs/mob/Putin). They repeated the lies enough that MAGA will believe any dumb shit while Democrats look like they are using Republican insults or tactics.
We’ve all been duped.
I’m pretty certain the 2024 election was rigged.
Idk why you would when they’ve failed so often for so long in that country.
It's definitely not going to be that easy
And even if it were, we definitely aren't going to get all those things.
"People in a burning house believe there might be a fire inside their house"
Y a y make america great!
Of voters. If that's the only group that gives a shit we're doomed.
And not one of them can agree on why.
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