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On Monday, just one day after the Republican Party staged a Horst Wessel-style memorial for Charlie Kirk in Glendale, Arizona, President Donald Trump signed an executive order designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”

The order claims that antifa is a “militarist, anarchist enterprise” that uses “illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide.”

Antifa, as even FBI Director Christopher Wray was forced to admit in a September 2020 congressional hearing, is not an organization but a broad current of opposition to fascism. “Antifa is an ideology, not an organization,” said Wray, who also testified that the bureau had no data showing any lethal violence committed by the organization.

Since antifa as a formal organization does not exist, Trump’s executive order amounts to a blanket authorization to brand political dissent and opposition to his fascist regime as “terrorism.”

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[–] MisterCurtis@lemmy.world 24 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I don't support fascism. I'm wholly against it. I guess that makes me antifascist.

[–] IndridCold@lemmy.ca 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 32 points 21 hours ago (7 children)

Is Antifa even an organization, and not just a general term for people who oppose fascism, which should be the majority of the population?

[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 12 points 20 hours ago

There is no general "antifa", but there are many individual (often regional) organizations with some form of "anti-fascist" or "antifa" in the name, like "rose city antifa".

In addition, there are many organizations that are not specifically antifascist, but would describe an opposition to fascism as part of their core beliefs. This includes a lot of media organizations.

Lastly, anyone with political views that do not support fascism are automatically anti-fascist.

The goal is to oppress all 3 categories of people.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago

The post answers that mate

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago

Antifa is a concept (anti-fascism) people can support or not. Antifa isn’t people.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago

WSWS tend to be sensationalist in its articles, but I agree with them for once on this matter.

[–] 0li0li@lemmy.world 20 points 21 hours ago

A-fascist-says-what?

[–] makeshiftreaper@lemmy.world 17 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Well it's a good thing America has a stellar track record on wars against ideas, e.g. drugs, terror, and Christmas. Let's declare war on Opposition, there's no way to lose that one

[–] Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 19 hours ago

Same vibe as putin declaring LGBTQ an "extremist organization".

I'm starting to think executive branch having power to name enemies of the state is a bad idea.

[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 8 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

@jordanlund@lemmy.world hey, so now that it’s a criminal offense, is .world going to force mods to remove any dissent?

[–] sudo@lemmy.today 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

.world already operates like it's run by fascists so it wouldn't be a stretch. Just reddit 2.0 with the mods wills dictating discourse across its communities.

[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 2 points 13 hours ago

I just wanted to hear Jordan not answer a direct question like the wimp he is

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Dunno, our server is in Finland so it's up to the Admins.

[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Will you moderate anti-fascist comments if the admins say that anything anti-fascist must be moderated?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I can't address a hypothetical like that.

I can say that the Admins I know aren't inclined to go along with anything Trump says, and the guidance they operate under isn't American.

I've also stated before that Trump's noise about Antifa is just that, noise. There's no group to go after and it's likely just his attempt to go after "their" imaginary funding, specifically the tinfoil hat allegations against George Soros. I expect that angle from Trump any day now.

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/soros-conspiracy-theories-and-protests-gateway-antisemitism

[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You are not able to say whether or not you would support fascism or not support fascism because the idea of choosing between the two makes you feel uncomfortable in a hypothetical situation that is not so hypothetical that it could not actually happen in the near future?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -5 points 17 hours ago

I'm saying my opinion in an extemely unlikely hypothetical is irrelevant.

The Admins aren't likely to side with Trump, and legally, they have no requirement to side with Trump. If they do, my opinion will be based on how they do it, not a "what if?"

I've quit platforms over lesser things, Fark->Digg->Reddit, but I'm not going to engage in hypotheticals.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 5 points 20 hours ago

Shit tier site.

A recent article:

Escalation in the Baltics: NATO exploits alleged airspace violation by Russian jets for new war escalation

Last Friday, the Estonian Defense Ministry reported that three Russian MiG-31 fighter jets had entered Estonian airspace for several minutes. While the government in Tallinn and NATO allies immediately branded the incident a “provocation” by Moscow, the Kremlin firmly rejected this account. According to the Russian Defense Ministry, there had been no border violation. The aircraft were on a transfer flight from a base in northwestern Russia to the Kaliningrad exclave and had been flying “in strict conformity with international rules governing airspace with no violation of the borders of other states as is confirmed by independent checks.”

In fact, even the map published by the Estonian military indicates that the jets flew parallel to the border and were on a transit route. Nevertheless, the incident is being exaggerated by European governments and the mainstream media to further escalate the confrontation with Russia.

Why post about such an important using content from generate tankie roaches?

[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

Wait a minute.....I'm starting to think this Trump guy might be a fascist.

[–] maxxadrenaline@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

can we sign an order claiming trump is a terrorist organization?

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

How is this even an allowed source for "news"?

[–] higgsboson@piefed.social 2 points 19 hours ago

Yeah... Welcome to Lemmy.

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