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On Monday, just one day after the Republican Party staged a Horst Wessel-style memorial for Charlie Kirk in Glendale, Arizona, President Donald Trump signed an executive order designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”

The order claims that antifa is a “militarist, anarchist enterprise” that uses “illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide.”

Antifa, as even FBI Director Christopher Wray was forced to admit in a September 2020 congressional hearing, is not an organization but a broad current of opposition to fascism. “Antifa is an ideology, not an organization,” said Wray, who also testified that the bureau had no data showing any lethal violence committed by the organization.

Since antifa as a formal organization does not exist, Trump’s executive order amounts to a blanket authorization to brand political dissent and opposition to his fascist regime as “terrorism.”

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[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 3 points 52 minutes ago

I think I've figured out Trump's Reichstag moment.

It'll be the White House burning down, because of something going wrong with the ballroom construction. Then he'll get to move the presidential residence to Mar-A-Lardo like he's always wanted, and charge the American taxpayers for renovations and rent forever.

[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

... in case you weren't sure what he stands for

[–] Soktopraegaeawayok@lemmy.world -5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

Yall need to bring this down a notch. This stupid "shocker" headline

"Trump signs executive order criminalizing opposition to fascism"

I read that and immediately knew that was some bull shit and they were spinning something, and they were.

Lol "designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization."

Does that really sound like the headline? No, its bullshit and propaganda, by both sides, learn to recognize it.

And im sure Trump is under the full impression that "antifa" is a group/organization of sorts, whether you or I believe it or not. So he's basically canceling a non-existent group?

We can and should be able to be against real fascism.

Guys. being against "antifa" doesn't not equal being against "anti-fascist". They've got yall spun around

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 40 minutes ago

Lol “designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”

It's the same game Bush played with The War on Terror or Reagan with the War on Drugs. Write orders so vague and all-encompassing that virtually anyone could qualify based on a police officer or prosecutor having bad vibes.

Trump's running on a very time tested playbook

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 42 minutes ago

And im sure Trump is under the full impression that "antifa" is a group/organization of sorts, whether you or I believe it or not. So he's basically canceling a non-existent group?

When this order gets interpreted and implemented, will they be reading Trump's mind (ugh, sick thought) or will they be reading the order?

Trump is like King Tommen, happily banging the seal of the King on whatever mommy puts in front of him. Whether or not he has the faintest idea of what he is signing is entirely irrelevant. The people who wrote the order know what they want it to mean, and they won't be interpreting it any other way. What Trump thinks is far less relevant than what Stephen Miller thinks.

[–] NovaSel@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

This HAS to be satirical, right?

[–] IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I mean, it makes sense doesn’t it?

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

They are not even hiding that they are fascist now, wow.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 37 minutes ago

🌍 👩‍🚀 🔫 👨‍🚀

[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 17 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Its all the smoke screen for the epstein files.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You think making opposition to fascism a criminal offense is a distraction from releasing the files that we already know the man is in?

This is why we are fucking doomed. Get a grip.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 38 minutes ago

The birthday book is the List. People have the thing they demanded and they're still just repeating the line and nauseum to themselves.

It's terminal brainrot. Nobody knows how to resist a fascist government. All they know how to do is shitpost

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 hour ago

Its like your mind cant consider more than one thing.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 8 hours ago

Epstein files or no, this motherfucker is making it very easy to jail his critics so maybe consider giving this threat a little more weight.

[–] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

this order doesn't really do anything. it declares that "Antifa" is a domestic terrorist organization, and directs executive agencies to prioritize investigating and preventing illegal actions done by, or on behalf of, "Antifa."

it doesn't criminalize "Antifa," define what that is, impose any sanctions, suspend any rights etc. there's no statutory authority invoked. it's just an order telling Federal law enforcement to focus on crimes by "Antifa" first.

why? probably because there's jack shit they can do. there's no magical war powers to invoke against domestic terrorists.

it's just a tweet on fancy letterhead.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago

That's the fucking point.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

And that’s the beauty of these orders… with no definitions, ANONE can be “Antifa”.

Therefore, anyone can be jailed under these new orders with zero effort needed aside from publicly branding them as an “Antifa member”.

It’s a jail-whomever-you-want-for-any-reason card. It’s the perfect tool for the ambitious fascist.

The vagueness IS THE POINT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9NnQt_eQ0I

IT IS DANGEROUS to laugh off their declarations as meaningless. Its is dangerous to call him an idiot. The vagueness is the point! THATS why fascism can take hold so quickly, because NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THE LINE IS.

So, as far as Im concerned, the line is way the fuck over - Go fuck yourself Trump. This executive order pretty much outs you as a fascist. - there.

[–] aviationeast@lemmy.world 32 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Historically the War Dept was anti fascist.... Which means Trump just declared the U.S. military a crimanl terrorist organization... Time to go arrested those serving in the military. Let's start at the top: The ~~good~~ old commander in chief.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 36 minutes ago

Historically the War Dept was anti fascist…

Under which president? Not Jackson. Not McKinley. Not Hoover.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 14 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I had a horrible stepgrandfather. He's done two good things: first, die, second, instill in us the value of fighting fascism. He fought nazis in europe. He went off about Constant Vigilance or something. Fighting fascists is a traditional united states value.

[–] aviationeast@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Don't suppose he had signs of PTSD? Not defending him for any horrible actions but WWII messed with a lot of men's heads and gave lasting repercussions generations down the line. Helps to identify toxic traits that flow from it to stop it in your family and community.

Men of america were known to weep in the streets prior to WWI. Being open to showing emotion was robbed from men due to war.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

oh definitely had that. he got ptsd after the war. it's a very long story that would probably identify me. short version, he served in a different theater than just about everyone from where he lived and thus felt ostracized by the veterans groups. because of that he never got the support he needed, which was partly a self-inflicted wound. as one of his favorite targets, i find i'm more able to empathize/sympathize with other folk who've been in his position than him.

[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 14 points 13 hours ago

Time to start mailing antifa membership cards to all your favorite republicans.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

All this really does make me wonder about that Fourth Turning theory....it's like 80 years since the end of WWII, almost to the day.

We fought a war to end fascism.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 183 points 20 hours ago
[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 31 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

America used to be antifa.

[–] slevinkelevra@sh.itjust.works 34 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Not really though. They were just anti German-Nazi. Just look at all the lynchings, the Jim Crow laws, segregation etc.

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

Also helping to overthrow democratically elected governments in Guatemala and other Latin American countries to protect the interests of capital.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago

The fact that our govt didn't really give a shit about the nazis until Pearl Harbor forced our entry into the war.

[–] Luouth@lemmy.world 64 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Remember this moment? He's probably right

[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 36 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Trump is leaving office in a casket tbh. There's even a decent chance it happens before his term is up.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I'll be mildly surprised if he sees 2026.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 42 points 18 hours ago

Shit news source generally (tankie as all hell), but in this specific case the article seems solid.

Fuck fascism. Fuck this entire administration. Fuck Charlie Kirk and every other nazi like him.

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 114 points 21 hours ago (16 children)

One can be anti fascist whilst not being a member of Antifa. Don't forget people, these are the dumbest people in the world running this show.

[–] henfredemars 184 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

I think conflating Antifa with anyone they choose is exactly the objective.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 19 hours ago

Yup, it’s just a new method to be able to kidnap people off the streets. First it was “they were an immigrant” and then “they looked like an immigrant”. And now it has progressed to “they looked like a domestic enemy of the state”.

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[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 38 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

There are no 'members' of Antifa. There are only people that are anti-fascist.

Edit to add: The only people trying to make Antifa a thing are fascists trying to convince the dumbfuck masses that opposition to them is somehow a bad thing. And now they're trying to make that a crime.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (5 children)

No, "antifa" is, itself, the term for the position of being against fascism. There is no organization.

They also will not care as they're just going to accuse their enemies of it regardless of how left they are. They know exactly what they are doing, and they've been doing it way faster than I expected.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 16 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

The entire civilized world has been against fascism at least since 1939. donny is apparently trying to make most of the world a criminal.

To be fair, this is in line with is overall strategy: just go batshit crazy.

[–] evenglow@lemmy.world 70 points 21 hours ago

In the last 30 years, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) has documented only one killing committed by an alleged antifa supporter. On August 29, 2020, Michael Reinoehl shot and killed fascist Aaron “Jay” Danielson, a member of Patriot Prayer, during a protest in Portland, Oregon. On social media following the killing, Trump encouraged police forces to kill Reinoehl. “Do your job, and do it fast. Everybody knows who this thug is,” Trump said. Reinoehl was murdered by police and federal agents on September 3, 2020.

While there have been virtually no documented killings committed by alleged antifa members, there have been hundreds of murders and tens of thousands of assaults committed by self-declared fascists, antisemites, far-right militia elements and white supremacists over the last 30 years.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago

Where does one go to find a clown wig and a plastic red nose combo large enough to fit a continent?

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

Good luck with that, orange loser

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 41 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (5 children)

I'm still going to protest, because I'm not the coward that these fascists are hoping for.

Getting arrested for holding a sign on public property will be a slam dunk lawsuit.

Executive Orders cover the federal executive branch. They aren't federal law, they aren't state law & the certainly don't override the Constitution.

Grow a fucking spine.

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