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[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 4 points 44 minutes ago

We have builds like this, but not as big in Taiwan. They almost always have an area downstairs that the food is placed so people can come down and get it.

I imagine they also have the same thing in China.

[–] BCBoy911@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (8 children)

We need this in North America if we ever want to solve the housing crisis tbh. I'm talking Soviet-style, grey concrete commieblocks. Yes the buildings are ugly, probably lack amenities, cheaply constructed and not well maintained, but we desperately need cheap, dense housing if we're going to bring down the costs. Building more luxury Manhattan condos and suburban single family abominations does nothing to bring down housing prices.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 59 minutes ago (1 children)

3-5 story housing with no parking works in France/Europe. No elevators/pools is huge cost savings. Room for cars ridiculously expensive where land is ridiculously expensive. Bikeable/walkable communities FTW. 5th story units would be cheaper, but young people need cheaper.

[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 33 minutes ago

elevators are required for ada compliance

[–] irelephant@lemmy.world 1 points 25 minutes ago

I honestly think commieblocks don't look that bad.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

We need mass housing, but also a focus on aesthetics.
I noticed my area has done a nice job after visiting Chicago. Chicago was concrete, roads and parking lots, and barren. Fly back to metro Vancouver and even worst neighborhood has beautitul construction, parks, trees and flower beds everywhere.

[–] BCBoy911@lemmy.ca 2 points 26 minutes ago

I mean I agree that Vancouver is maybe one of the most beautiful cities in the world, but it's also one of the most expensive!

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

We don't even necessarily need those, fucking row townhouses like old Chicago or New York would be a massive improvement in space usage and density alone. Just modify the design to have a garage in the back and make the alleyway larger. Hell you could narrow the front road if you do it right.

[–] possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Hell you ~~could~~ should narrow the front road ~~if you do it right.~~ and turn it into a pedestrian plaza with a few shops and restaurants.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 42 minutes ago

While I like the enthusiasm we are still talking about the US here, even just for controlled semitruck or emergency service access it would still need to be wide enough for say a firetruck even compensation with utility alleyways and back end garages. But you could set it up to be relatively easily converted to such a thing if the required modifications to infrastructure and emergency services are done, but even then it'd be twenty years off even on a rapid timescale.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

That’s how you create undesirable neighborhoods which eventually turn into ghettos. Many cities in Europe tried that and many of those neighborhoods quickly became unsafe and derelict. Like many of the banlieus in Paris or the Bijlmer in Amsterdam. Because people who eventually have the means to move out will leave asap. Nobody wants to settle in such a neighborhood. So only the poor and desperate stay. Which in turn means local business will leave as well.

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 1 points 31 minutes ago

I agree with the general mission of FuckCars, but it always seems full of people who don't care about anything of what goes into a prosperous city that isn't the amount of cars on the road.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 hour ago

Cheap construction and poor maintainability is more expensive in the long run, I think it's possible to create affordable housing while still having longevity and a reasonable access to amenities in mind.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

We need mass housing, but also a focus on aesthetics.
I noticed my area has done a nice job after visiting Chicago. Chicago was concrete, roads and parking lots, and barren. Fly back to metro Vancouver and even worst neighborhood has beautitul construction, parks, trees and flower beds everywhere.

[–] wabasso@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

Ok this is a soft rebuttal because I agree we need to fix affordability asap, but is intensification really the right path?

Like something else needs to be fixed or these super condos will just enable politicians to import even more people to maintain the unaffordability.

China: Bulldozes Kowloon Walled City

Also China:

[–] ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

Mailroom aside, if a delivery guy is fine crossing a city with 20/30k people horizontally in traffic, I don't really see why this is such a bad thing when you break it down.

I count 35 floors, so you can cut it down to ~850 people on each floor after an elevator ride, and a building like this will probably have at least 4 elevator areas sectioning the building almost equally.

So you're down to about ~210 people after entering the right side of the building, that's like a big street / small neighborhood (and how far you have to walk should scale closely to that). And with this much people in one area you can really easily batch deliveries. And a delivery place will probably settle quite closely to such a hub of people anyways.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 56 minutes ago

at least 4 elevator areas sectioning the building almost equally.

each elevator lobby also has its own address. It's less confusing than you'd imagine, and also any delivery drivers will have been there before.

Also: big buildings usually have cargo elevators. It would be insanity to "door-dash" every last package on the passenger cars, limited by what could be carried or lugged on a hand-truck. Instead, they would load up the whole car from the truck on a loading dock, then deliver one floor at a time, start/stopping the car where needed.

[–] Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

High density housing bad and dystopian. Homelessness good. Now build more single family homes with lawns pls. /s

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Low-rise to mid-rise high-density housing, sure, but high-rises are bad, yes. They cost more to maintain, they either prevent adequate sunlight at lower levels or need to be spaced apart wide enough to defeat the point, and they tend to be worse for social isolation and anti-social behaviour.

[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 30 minutes ago

low rise and mid rise are ugly as hell compared to densely packed high rise buildings or single family homes

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

They probably have a number of diverse food kitchens in there, and would most likely "buy local", anyway. That building being basically a slum, I doubt that there is much delivery from the outside.

[–] Buddahriffic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

Luckily each unit has a number that indicates the floor and each floor probably has a floormap near the elevator, so you won't have to go knocking on random doors until you find the person.

Same thing for making deliveries in cities of several million. If there's an effective addressing system, it's usually trivial to find the destination, or at least to get very close to it and switch to "ok wtf is going on here with the last bit of this address?" mode.

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago

Got nothing on Kowloon. That was a marvel. Scary, probably deadly, but a marvel nonetheless.

[–] azureskypirate@lemmy.zip 8 points 14 hours ago

This is dumb. You can't let delivery guys/gals up into the hallways unaccompaioned in an apartment building this size. You have to go down to the front door

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 25 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

If there is tofu dreg in the construction, the architect and builders are gonna charged with a genocide. (if building collapse, thousands die)

And this is not because American propaganda or whatever. My family is from mainland China and my mother told me about all those tofu-dreg stuff. To be very clear, this is not the people's fault, its not individuals being "lazy", its a systematic issue. There's so much corruption and bribery.

Food safety is another one of the big issues. For a supposedly "socialist" government, they sure are doing quite a lot regulating food, by "a lot" I mean jack shit.

I'm suspecting if my older brother is being an asshole because he lived there like approximately 5 years longer there and suffered some food poisoning (like maybe lead) or something and totally has zero empathy. Parents are also shitty. I mean there has got to be lead or something.

(No I did not live in one of these mega buildings lol, mine was more like a 10 story building, no elevators, lackluster of safety barriers. I hate that place lol, so much bad memories of my abusive older brother.)

[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

It's locust mentality, same thing happens in India or any country with high density + a culture of low trust.

If the CCP wasn't headed by morons like Mao (and Xi by extension, who for some unfathomable reason wants to emulate him) who brought the destruction of Confucius teachings and heritage through the cultural revolution and terrible economic policies, they had a baseline culture to foster a more cohesive and trusting society.

[–] sleepundertheleaves 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

For a supposedly "socialist" government, they sure are doing quite a lot regulating food, by "a lot" I mean jack shit.

I'm reading "Breakneck: China's Quest to Engineer the Future", which I think is a great book, and one of its themes, that probably seems strange to Americans, is that China is more capitalist than the United States right now.

For instance, from what I read, the CCP is extremely reluctant to provide any kind of social welfare, in the belief welfare will make its citizens lazy, and the little that exists is not only incredibly corrupt but requires a degrading means testing process that even the worst American conservative would think goes too far.

But I've never lived in China so you may know better about that.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 9 points 15 hours ago

that China is more capitalist than the United States right now

Exactly lol, this is what I've been saying.

CCP is extremely reluctant to provide any kind of social welfare, in the belief welfare will make its citizens lazy

That's my parent's view on welfare. These views carried over to the US too. Its why they see a headline about "illegal immigrants" to the US and they start blaming welfare and think that "illegal" immigrants are somehow getting welfare and they think its taking away resources from legal immigrants. Its why they think me having depression is "weakness". My mother told me she hates autistic people because she thinks they are "dangerous". Like people with disabilities get would disowned by a lot of parents. If you have any disabilities, you don't get viewd as a person, but a 廢柴 (I'd say it's equivalent to "useless eater"). Its so messed up.

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[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 91 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In reality buildings like this have a mailroom where packages are dropped.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Problem is that mailrooms are useless for food delivery drivers.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 41 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Something weird and amazing about China is the changes in verticality. You can walk into a building off a plaza, take the elevator DOWN ten levels…and walk out onto a street.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 points 1 hour ago

There's something incredibly cyberpunk about that. Give it a few hundred years and people won't know where the bottom is where sunlight never reaches.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 20 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I remember watching some stuff about cities where it feels like you went out on street level but really you're still XX floors up.

[–] deus@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago

Odds are it was a video about Chongqing. It's an engineering miracle that a city of that scale can even exist on such challenging terrain.

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[–] superweeniehutjrs@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Imagine the parking required if this were in the states

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[–] NaibofTabr 27 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

"800 million people living in the ruin of the old world and the mega structures of the new one..."

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